Disappointing stadium sound

Cal Weldon · 2nd October 2011, 01:06 AM

Newly refurbished BC Place stadium opened to the public last night. Great job they did and I was really looking forward to the "updated" sound system. The old air supported roof gave the impression of an echo chamber but at least you could hear what the announcer was saying. Can't say the same for the new stuff. Went from bad to really bad. Who the hell gets away with this ?

It's so good they didn't even want to put their name on it.

Cal Weldon · 2nd October 2011, 01:09 AM

Can you believe they took this stuff down to put that new **** up?

Mr. dB · 2nd October 2011, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cal Weldon

Who the hell gets away with this ?

The lowest bidder.

Tom Danley · 2nd October 2011, 01:59 AM

Yeah it is sad what gets put in and taken down and what some of these large places sound like.
Where I work has been doing a number of foot ball stadiums this season, some of which use just a few very high power full range point sources. The result is subjectively enough better to make many of these sales just a matter of a demo.

As this is a speaker forum, they did a demo Tuesday with three full range speakers at a 110,000 seat foot ball stadium, sort of gives an idea what can be done haha.. Mike had his camcorder and made a video (link).

Now if you watch it, the speakers are the little black glob under the scoreboard, it is one J2 facing forward and a J1 facing right and left.

Keep in mind, this is also capable of more acoustic power than the large EV center cluster array they took down in your arena, most of the foot ball uses involve a 650-800 foot between the speakers and the farthest seats .
Try these with headphones

Danley Sound Labs, Inc.'s Videos | Facebook

One J1 Jericho speaker in a parking lot.

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Best,
Tom Danley
Danley Sound Labs
Danley Sound Labs, Inc. | Facebook

simon7000 · 2nd October 2011, 02:03 AM

I'll Let you know! Not one of mine. But from looking at the line array clusters if they are real, it should be able to work well. The older system is much lower power and a "Point Source" with a bit too much space between drivers.

If you want to download http://www.audioxpress.com/magsdirx/...a/wordtest.zip

You can burn a test CD and demonstrate to the owner that their system is inadequate.

Top Shelf · 2nd October 2011, 02:08 AM

nice to know what happened to the old stuff that they took down. I wonder if it went up for sale. it would be nice to know if you could grab that stuff for home usage.

Pano · 2nd October 2011, 02:10 AM

Cal, did you get the boxes they took down?

simon7000 · 2nd October 2011, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Top Shelf

nice to know what happened to the old stuff that they took down. I wonder if it went up for sale. it would be nice to know if you could grab that stuff for home usage.

I got a JBL PD box in the back, make an offer!

Cal Weldon · 2nd October 2011, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by simon7000

The older system is much lower power and a "Point Source" with a bit too much space between drivers.

The old Altec/EV system had the point source unit (1st pic) at one end of the stadium and the 2nd pic shows what they had around the remainder. I think there were about 20 of them. It was lower powered but more sensitive and gave a better quality sound even when hindered by the roof.

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Originally Posted by Top Shelf

nice to know what happened to the old stuff that they took down.

Yes it would.

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Originally Posted by Pano

Cal, did you get the boxes they took down?

No but I think I'll go looking for it.

scott17 · 2nd October 2011, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Danley

Now if you watch it, the speakers are the little black glob under the scoreboard, it is one J2 facing forward and a J1 facing right and left.

That really is an excellent example of audio engineering at it's best. I'm humbled. Congratulations to you.

2nd October 2011, 01:59 AM	#4
Tom Danley diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sitting behind the 'puter screen, in Illinois, USA, planet earth	Yeah it is sad what gets put in and taken down and what some of these large places sound like. Where I work has been doing a number of foot ball stadiums this season, some of which use just a few very high power full range point sources. The result is subjectively enough better to make many of these sales just a matter of a demo. As this is a speaker forum, they did a demo Tuesday with three full range speakers at a 110,000 seat foot ball stadium, sort of gives an idea what can be done haha.. Mike had his camcorder and made a video (link). Now if you watch it, the speakers are the little black glob under the scoreboard, it is one J2 facing forward and a J1 facing right and left. Keep in mind, this is also capable of more acoustic power than the large EV center cluster array they took down in your arena, most of the foot ball uses involve a 650-800 foot between the speakers and the farthest seats . Try these with headphones Danley Sound Labs, Inc.'s Videos \| Facebook One J1 Jericho speaker in a parking lot. Danley Sound Labs, Inc.'s Videos \| Facebook Best, Tom Danley Danley Sound Labs Danley Sound Labs, Inc. \| Facebook __________________ Bring back mst3k and futurama

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Top Shelf diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Midland, Ontario	nice to know what happened to the old stuff that they took down. I wonder if it went up for sale. it would be nice to know if you could grab that stuff for home usage. __________________ JEREMY M_________________________________ I like it loud, BUT NOT TOO LOUD!.... Hey do you hear that high pitched ringing sound ?

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2nd October 2011, 02:03 AM	#5
simon7000 diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oakmont PA	I'll Let you know! Not one of mine. But from looking at the line array clusters if they are real, it should be able to work well. The older system is much lower power and a "Point Source" with a bit too much space between drivers. If you want to download http://www.audioxpress.com/magsdirx/...a/wordtest.zip You can burn a test CD and demonstrate to the owner that their system is inadequate.

2nd October 2011, 02:10 AM	#7
Pano diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Blog Entries: 4	Cal, did you get the boxes they took down?