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Old 26th November 2002, 08:23 AM   #1
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Hi all,

Does anyone have (or could get, or any adress) a record of the "Sonatas and partitas for solo violin" of Bach? I don't care about the player, not CD, but LP.
Another Lp I'm looking for is the "12 fantasies for solo violin" of Telemann.

Thanks guys, I'm dying to get this records...
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Old 26th November 2002, 12:06 PM   #2
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www.towerrecords.uk.co Search for apropriate works. You will
find, for instance, sonatas 1-3 and partitas 1-3 (not sure if that is
all of them) with Yehudi Menuhin on EMI References, and also
other recordings.
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Old 28th November 2002, 12:38 AM   #3
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Raka,

you have to care about the player, trust me.

try www.saturnrecords.com
At the moment they have it from Milstein ($20) which is not bad at all (but i definitely prefer the Szeryng below) and Shumsky ($75) which i do not know, but what i know from Shumsky, this could be really something.

You could try the Russian Gidon Kremer performance on Melodya or Melodya/Eurodisc.

Should you find the Henryk Szeryng performance on Deutsche Grammophon there or somewhere else, shoot 1st, ask then. reads: don't dicker, grab it.
For mouthwatering, this recording has been re-issued on CD:
Deutsche Grammophon 453004-2.
My preference for that recording is so strong that i prefer this one on CD to any other i know on vinyl. Maybe with exception of the fancy Johanna Martzy recording on British Columbia but this is a rare and really unaffordable exception.
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Old 28th November 2002, 08:20 AM   #4
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Raka,
My preference for that recording is so strong that i prefer this one on CD to any other i know on vinyl. Maybe with exception of the fancy Johanna Martzy recording on British Columbia but this is a rare and really unaffordable exception.
I found some recordings with Martzy (whom I had never heard of
before, I must confess) when I searched Tower records for
Raka. On CD, though.
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Old 28th November 2002, 04:31 PM   #5
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All,
to give an imagination,
Johanna Martzy on the voilin partitas & sontatas is very similar to Pablo Casals on the 'cello. A very romantic approach.

So yo ask, how is the Szeryng performance? I don't l know any cellist playing like that, he has a 100% classic approach, he keeps the huge bows and big phrases fully intact in their entirety; phrases are vibrating and totally coherent which becomes particularly apparent on the majestic Ciaconna and the breathtaking but sometimes disharmonic Fuga Alla Breve.

My favourite cellist for Bach ... well i have two: Pablo Casals and Anner Bylsma. Bylsma does it different to Casals/Martzy and different to Szeryng. the Cello Suites are --atleast formally seen -- dance music.
Bylsma plays the music in a way one can dance to it, always. He has the same vibrant coherence as Szeryng.
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Old 28th November 2002, 04:48 PM   #6
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I happen to have one of Gidon Kremer performing these, on Philips (6769 053). I think it's great. I'm not familiar with other performances like Bernhard is though. So it's interesting to hear his observances.

I picked it up in a used record shop for about something <$10. Like new. Sorry, Raka, I ain't giving it up!

Sometimes the used shops that basically cater to rock fans have a little goldmine of other things (classical, real folk, bluegrass, jazz) in nice condition, and you may find that there isn't much competition for them.
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Old 23rd January 2003, 11:18 AM   #7
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Default quote from a Baron and friend of mine

Baron Empain once quoted in the late '70...
3 things you need in life

a loyal wife, some Veuve Cliquot Champagne and all this while listening to "the violin conerto " from Beethoven preferably by Perlman...
and if you absolutely want a castle to be in while having all three of the above....



boy was he right!

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Old 23rd January 2003, 11:49 AM   #8
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Yes, this concerto has some magic. It's just scales and arpeggios technically, but has some moments that I feel like that Ludwig is telling me: be a good guy.
Perlman?!
Hey, boy you should listen to Oistrack. What? Too perfect? Maybe, but after him all the others seem to over-act.

And the fourth thing is the cat.

No jokes about the fifht element are now allowed.
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Yes, this concerto has some magic. It's just scales and arpeggios technically, but has some moments that I feel like that Ludwig is telling me: be a good guy.
Perlman?!
Hey, boy you should listen to Oistrack. What? Too perfect? Maybe, but after him all the others seem to over-act.

And the fourth thing is the cat.

No jokes about the fifht element are now allowed.
Both Perlman and Oistrach are good. Many years ago a friend
and I compared Perlman/Giulini with Oistrach/Cluytens. As I
remember the conclusion was that we wished there was
a recording with Perlman and Cluytens. However, that was
long ago and since then we have found our desert-island version
of this work: Ginette Neveu with Hans Rosbaud conducting
the SWF orchestra. Unfortunately, she died at the age of 30
shortly after doing this recording. Actually, my memory tells me
she might have done yet a recording of this work, but I am not
sure of this. BTW, the Music&Arts issue of the recording also
includes her magic recordings of Chaussons poéme and Ravels
Tzigane with Charles Munch and NY philharmonic (?).
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Playing right now is that very same concerto but
played by Uto Ughi, the London Symphonic Orchestra and conductor Wolfgang Sawallisch...

very very nice recorded in Kingsway Hall in London in 1981.

like the remark made before, this piece of art is for me considered as nec plus ultra.

it is such a perfect mix of tone , I get mesmerized time and time again...

I know there are many pieces that one will think of : this the best etc., etc... for me however I consider it the best concerto.

Another piece that is truly amazing is the Symfonic Intermezzo from Cavaleria rusticana, yes an opera in one act had to have some time for people to go to the bathroom. therefor Mascagni
wrote this short piece... (suposedly to change the decorum)
Is this the End or what ? a piece that needs a gigantique organ to be combined with the orchestra that from paysant Sicile moves to heavenly hights.

I had this piece played in church on my dad's funeral in 1992, Nothing was more apropriate!

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