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Old 2nd May 2006, 10:21 AM   #1
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Default Modern cd's - over compression

http://brianstagg.co.uk/p_t_a_clipressed/

It's shocking!

Precious (Playing The Angel, 2005) [cdstumm260] CD:
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Precious (Playing The Angel, 2005) [lpstumm260] VINYL:
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Old 2nd May 2006, 11:38 AM   #2
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Old 2nd May 2006, 01:11 PM   #3
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As an Amsterdam citizen you must know the 'Deelder Draait' and 'Deelder Draait Door' cd's.
Carefully selected Jazz songs, recorded from vinyl with audiophile quality material.
http://www.love2party.nl/article/art...sp?art_id=1688
This is one of the worst tracks.
A real pity.

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Old 6th May 2006, 08:56 PM   #4
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Wow!

That CD pre-processing seems like 10dB of gain followed by a fast peak limiter. Not much dynamics are likely to survive after that.
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Old 6th May 2006, 09:42 PM   #5
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Though digital clipping is belived bad by most studio engineers, the compression isn't so simple. Nearly all modern pop and rock cds are compressed. Over? Depends... When done on mastering it vanishes any dynamics of a song, just to make it louder. Compressing single instruments can enhance timbre, like bass guitar, slow compressor can even make attack more agressive.
My personal opinion is that in future this over-compression will be recognised and sound or nineties and beggining of 21 century.
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Old 7th May 2006, 07:19 AM   #6
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I believe these techniques are one of the reasons why I experience listening fatigue from listening to many modern cd's.

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Old 7th May 2006, 12:06 PM   #7
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Careful compression and expansion in an instrument per instrument basis has plenty of advantages, but of course those waveforms show just bare peak limiting applied to the final mix.

It's quite sad to see recording companies asking sound engineers to destroy the music just to make it sound louder in the average boom-box.

Damn boom boxes!
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Old 9th May 2006, 06:35 AM   #8
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Hi,
I just bought a Judas Priest-Rising in the East- DVD.
Sound sucks
In Dolby Digital, can hear only mid bass(that too muddled). The highs, lows, vocals can be barely heard.
In DTS mode, can hear almost no bass somewhat like a cheap radio sound.
This is the first time I observed such a glaring difference in the different modes.
My 16 year old analog cassette tape of the Priest's Nightcrawler sounds much better and clear. Which means that if you can do a decent enough job on a cassette tape, you could atleast do the same if not better for a CD or DVD.

Surely, I'd expect more compression is being used to make the analogue tapes.

Music wise, well Rob Halford has lost his higher notes, or was it recording tricks/ falsetto(remixed in portions) in their songs of yore.....
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Careful compression and expansion in an instrument per instrument basis has plenty of advantages, but of course those waveforms show just bare peak limiting applied to the final mix.
Though I sometimes disagree with you - this time you are spot-on IMO.

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most hard rock/metal is badly produced with too harsh trebles. Some albums sound better at old tape than CD.
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