Brian Wilson presents SMiLE!!! - Page 2

Apogee · 22nd November 2004, 10:26 PM

I too would be interested in the mystery...

I've read lots of reviews about the album (mostly positive but also a few negative) and not once have I read any negatives about the engineering or production. The only engineering comments that I have read have been very positive.

According to Mark Linett (the recording engineer) posting on the Brian Wilson message board, this has even been featured in both EQ and Sound on Sound magazines:

"(posted by Mark Linett on November 20, 2004)

Message:

SMile was recorded 24 bit at a samplerate of 88.2 Khz. If we do a surround version both it and the stereo mix would be presented at that rate. If you are interested in the details of the recording check out the latest issue of EQ magazine or last months Sound On Sound. "

The vocals definitely aren't "out there" by themselves like a Nora Jones or Ricki Lee Jones album but it's a different animal altogether. The sound (that I hear) is layered and the soundstage is HUGE (both wide and deep). There is so much going on the recording all of the time that perhaps that is what is sounding muddy (I'm guessing here). The vocals are used as instruments also and the overall effect is a like a "weaving" for lack of a better term...

However, at no time has it sounded muddy to my ears...

They do, do a fair amount of compression and manipulation of the vocals at different points in the recording but it's always used as a short-term effect not for a whole song for example.

The music is definitely different, but if you think of how you would describe America in music then somehow I think it strangely fits...

Rhino is even releasing this thing tomorrow (Nov 23rd) on 180 gram Quietex vinyl.

Anyway, I too would be very interested in other's opinions.

Ropie · 23rd November 2004, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by Bill Fitzpatrick
Thanks for the tip. I jumped over to ebay and bought one on the spot.

Are you sure you got the CD from a reliable source? If anyone will be selling pirate CDs they will be on ebay I suppose.

The Smile album is on my Christmas list

roibm · 23rd November 2004, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ropie

Are you sure you got the CD from a reliable source? If anyone will be selling pirate CDs they will be on ebay I suppose.

The Smile album is on my Christmas list

Also the demagnetizers may not improve the sound all the time. I don't use none and the sound is ok with me. Not the best I heard but good.

Bill Fitzpatrick · 23rd November 2004, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ropie

Are you sure you got the CD from a reliable source? If anyone will be selling pirate CDs they will be on ebay I suppose.

If it's a pirate it's the best job I've ever seen. Right down to the Warners logo molded into the jewel case.

jackinnj · 23rd November 2004, 04:43 PM

the first time I listened to it I had the cans on (using the computer's CD-ROM and Windows media player) -- then I listened with my KEFB139/B110/Audax Reflex speakers, Arcam, Adcom and GC system -- and the sound via speakers was much more alive.

I believe that SMILE is about the 2nd most bootlegged recording of all time -- Stereophile has a history in this month's issue.

Jack

Bill Fitzpatrick · 23rd November 2004, 04:51 PM

Did they mention how to identify a boot and could you please cite it?

jackinnj · 23rd November 2004, 05:14 PM

Quite frankly, I think the bootlegs are on tape.

Apogee · 24th November 2004, 05:36 PM

For those who are interested in hearing SMiLE live as well as the background on it and the opening set, check out the following link...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4182988

It's worth listening to both parts 1 and 2.

Part 2 is the SMiLE album.

To those who thought his mind was blown, consider this; approximately 1/3 of the SMiLE album is new material....

The whole album's goal is to make people smile

After all, when was the last time you heard "Row Row Row Your Boat" at Carnegie Hall????

Enjoy and Happy Holidays!

jackinnj · 24th November 2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by Apogee
After all, when was the last time you heard "Row Row Row Your Boat" at Carnegie Hall????

didn't the "Weavers" sing it at Carnegie Hall ? (actually, they did sing "Hush, Hush Little Baby", but I digress.. .)

and let us not forget the day we celebrate !
"...yes Officer Opie, I did put that piece of paper at the bottom of that pile of trash."

22nd November 2004, 10:26 PM	#11
Apogee diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tacoma, WA	I too would be interested in the mystery... I've read lots of reviews about the album (mostly positive but also a few negative) and not once have I read any negatives about the engineering or production. The only engineering comments that I have read have been very positive. According to Mark Linett (the recording engineer) posting on the Brian Wilson message board, this has even been featured in both EQ and Sound on Sound magazines: "(posted by Mark Linett on November 20, 2004) Message: SMile was recorded 24 bit at a samplerate of 88.2 Khz. If we do a surround version both it and the stereo mix would be presented at that rate. If you are interested in the details of the recording check out the latest issue of EQ magazine or last months Sound On Sound. " The vocals definitely aren't "out there" by themselves like a Nora Jones or Ricki Lee Jones album but it's a different animal altogether. The sound (that I hear) is layered and the soundstage is HUGE (both wide and deep). There is so much going on the recording all of the time that perhaps that is what is sounding muddy (I'm guessing here). The vocals are used as instruments also and the overall effect is a like a "weaving" for lack of a better term... However, at no time has it sounded muddy to my ears... They do, do a fair amount of compression and manipulation of the vocals at different points in the recording but it's always used as a short-term effect not for a whole song for example. The music is definitely different, but if you think of how you would describe America in music then somehow I think it strangely fits... Rhino is even releasing this thing tomorrow (Nov 23rd) on 180 gram Quietex vinyl. Anyway, I too would be very interested in other's opinions. __________________ "If I had my life to live over again, I would have made a rule to read some poetry and listen to some music at least once a week." - Charles Darwin

24th November 2004, 05:36 PM	#18
Apogee diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tacoma, WA	NPR Creators at Carnegie Special For those who are interested in hearing SMiLE live as well as the background on it and the opening set, check out the following link... http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4182988 It's worth listening to both parts 1 and 2. Part 2 is the SMiLE album. To those who thought his mind was blown, consider this; approximately 1/3 of the SMiLE album is new material.... The whole album's goal is to make people smile After all, when was the last time you heard "Row Row Row Your Boat" at Carnegie Hall???? Enjoy and Happy Holidays! __________________ "If I had my life to live over again, I would have made a rule to read some poetry and listen to some music at least once a week." - Charles Darwin

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jackinnj diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Llanddewi Brefi, NJ	the first time I listened to it I had the cans on (using the computer's CD-ROM and Windows media player) -- then I listened with my KEFB139/B110/Audax Reflex speakers, Arcam, Adcom and GC system -- and the sound via speakers was much more alive. I believe that SMILE is about the 2nd most bootlegged recording of all time -- Stereophile has a history in this month's issue. Jack

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Bill Fitzpatrick diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Eugene, OR	Did they mention how to identify a boot and could you please cite it?

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jackinnj diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Llanddewi Brefi, NJ	Quite frankly, I think the bootlegs are on tape.

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