Re: Re: Who's Bob Ludwig?
BTW, I've sometimes found that re-mastering can also make the album more "lively" but I guess that is usually done in the manner which Thunau calls "well produced".
Indian popular and film music (almost all old Hindi films would be classified by Westerners as "musicals", they have so many songs) recorded during its golden era, the sixties to eighties, was so badly recorded that it's about the flattest music you can encounter. If you play such music on a good music system, you feel you are listening to a tinny radio with zero bass, low midrange clarity, and a total lack of warmth, in spite of the voices of some of the most gifted singers anywhere in the world (e.g. Kishore Kumar, Lata). Re-mastering it to make it "well produced" can make such music sound much better than the original soundtracks. But then I guess this is a case of extremes.
Thanks. Matches with what I was suspecting...Audio_se said:
BTW, I've sometimes found that re-mastering can also make the album more "lively" but I guess that is usually done in the manner which Thunau calls "well produced".
Indian popular and film music (almost all old Hindi films would be classified by Westerners as "musicals", they have so many songs) recorded during its golden era, the sixties to eighties, was so badly recorded that it's about the flattest music you can encounter. If you play such music on a good music system, you feel you are listening to a tinny radio with zero bass, low midrange clarity, and a total lack of warmth, in spite of the voices of some of the most gifted singers anywhere in the world (e.g. Kishore Kumar, Lata). Re-mastering it to make it "well produced" can make such music sound much better than the original soundtracks. But then I guess this is a case of extremes.
chris ma said:
Hi Chris,
The left one is indeed the good one. And I'm agree with all your commentaries. I like the relaxing quality. It is not "flat" as many audiophile recordings. Of course, the recording is not as "good" as telarc or chesky or sort of.
On the second song, when the system is precise in imaging, it is clear how the "drum" is hit. I don't know how they do the recording.
The vocal is very very sweet through my Focal woofer. You know, you can tailor your crossover such that you can create a sweet vocal, or may be I add some even harmonics unintentionally
Truthfully, I never even heard a good recordings from the recording company, too many manipulate to the original material I thinked
But I liked an amateur recording or unofficial take from live show, almost all nuance and soundstage captured by this recording without any editing!!! even the I can feel the emotion!!!
is true not all amateur recording not good, but if you ever hear a good ones, you must never forget i mentioned here.
some from Smithsonian are the good one, also world music from JVC too. The equipment they use is very5x simple, only a "good" microphone and a portable recorder but the result, WAW!!!
I still believe in audio, a simple makes the good one.
But I liked an amateur recording or unofficial take from live show, almost all nuance and soundstage captured by this recording without any editing!!! even the I can feel the emotion!!!
is true not all amateur recording not good, but if you ever hear a good ones, you must never forget i mentioned here.
some from Smithsonian are the good one, also world music from JVC too. The equipment they use is very5x simple, only a "good" microphone and a portable recorder but the result, WAW!!!
I still believe in audio, a simple makes the good one.
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Originally posted by joensd
Everything from Dire Straits, Björk and Goldfrapp.
I would never use Goldfrapp as an audiophile reference. Just for
pleasure. mmmmmmmmmmmm.
yes i agree for goldfrapp
Björk is not all good.
Vespertine album is excellent: track 2 is fantastic for true, real, crispy voice that should be heard very focused in the middle of the soundstage. The a LOT of texture and subtilities effect in this album.
However, it is REALLY hard to beat infected mushroom - Converting vegetarians : CD2 for extreme quality sound recording and 3D effect soundstage.
Originally posted by joensd
Everything from Dire Straits, Björk and Goldfrapp.
I would never use Goldfrapp as an audiophile reference. Just for
pleasure. mmmmmmmmmmmm.
yes i agree for goldfrapp
Björk is not all good.
Vespertine album is excellent: track 2 is fantastic for true, real, crispy voice that should be heard very focused in the middle of the soundstage. The a LOT of texture and subtilities effect in this album.
However, it is REALLY hard to beat infected mushroom - Converting vegetarians : CD2 for extreme quality sound recording and 3D effect soundstage.
Another few
Janis Ian, Breaking Silence. It has it all, dynamics, beutiful voice, detail etc. Recorded on tube gear by I think Doug Sax.
The Vivaldi Four Seasons recorded on the BIS label. In 10 or so years of selling specialist HiFi this remains the most incredibly vivid and dynamic beautiful version I have heard.
Midnight Sugar, on the Blind Mice Label. I can not remember the Japanese names of the trio. Awesome, also done on tube gear.
Pink Floyd, The Wall
Ali Farka Toure & Ry Cooder, Talking Timbuktu, west african blues with a difference with a great additional bunch of musos incl. Jim Keltner
For sheer atmosphere, Jazz at the Pawnshop
Most of Ben Harper albums are well recorded.
Ennio Morricone soundtrack to the Mission. I have a Jap vinyl pressing which makes all and sundry wonder about the merits of CD after doing an AB comparison
I have a bunch of Audiophile Label CDs but often the musical content is just boring. One of my current favourites though is Monty Alexander, Goin' Yard on Telarc. Jazz Reggae.....
Jacques Loussier Bolero on Telarc is also fun.
Arvo Part, Tabula Rasa on Deutsche Gramaphon
I am sure there are many more but these are the ones that come to mind at the moment.
Regards
Guillaume
Janis Ian, Breaking Silence. It has it all, dynamics, beutiful voice, detail etc. Recorded on tube gear by I think Doug Sax.
The Vivaldi Four Seasons recorded on the BIS label. In 10 or so years of selling specialist HiFi this remains the most incredibly vivid and dynamic beautiful version I have heard.
Midnight Sugar, on the Blind Mice Label. I can not remember the Japanese names of the trio. Awesome, also done on tube gear.
Pink Floyd, The Wall
Ali Farka Toure & Ry Cooder, Talking Timbuktu, west african blues with a difference with a great additional bunch of musos incl. Jim Keltner
For sheer atmosphere, Jazz at the Pawnshop
Most of Ben Harper albums are well recorded.
Ennio Morricone soundtrack to the Mission. I have a Jap vinyl pressing which makes all and sundry wonder about the merits of CD after doing an AB comparison
I have a bunch of Audiophile Label CDs but often the musical content is just boring. One of my current favourites though is Monty Alexander, Goin' Yard on Telarc. Jazz Reggae.....
Jacques Loussier Bolero on Telarc is also fun.
Arvo Part, Tabula Rasa on Deutsche Gramaphon
I am sure there are many more but these are the ones that come to mind at the moment.
Regards
Guillaume
I'm hoping someone here might remember an audiophile label that I know used to exist but I'm not sure if they still do. Unfortunately I don't remember the name so all I can do is describe the recording and hope someone else knows it.
This was a label from sweden that put out vinyl recordings. The one I heard was organ and choir, and the only track I can remember the name of was a choral performance of Silent night but in German. The rest of the stuff wasn't christmas related. Sorry to be so vague but its all I can remember. It was a stunning recording though so worth asking. It towered above anything else I ever heard on the system I listened to in those days. It was like the entire wall was radiating sound and the tone was the richest and most musical I've ever heard. I really hope the label survived the transition to digital.
edit:
Whoops, jumped the gun. I found it on google. The label is proprius. I think the specific release is Cantate Domino. It looks the same and the description is right.
If you like organ and/or choral you must hear this. Even if you can just tolerate it, its worth hearing. The site explains that it was recorded in a church with a revox reel to reel and two pearl microphones.
Small disclaimer first though. I'm about %80 sure this is the recording. If it has Silent night than Im %98 sure but there is no listing of tracks on the site. I haven't heard the cd or sacd version either.
here's the site:
http://www.proprius.com/
heres a brief review, guess this is it.
http://www.tnt-audio.com/edcorner/holidaymusic_e.html
This was a label from sweden that put out vinyl recordings. The one I heard was organ and choir, and the only track I can remember the name of was a choral performance of Silent night but in German. The rest of the stuff wasn't christmas related. Sorry to be so vague but its all I can remember. It was a stunning recording though so worth asking. It towered above anything else I ever heard on the system I listened to in those days. It was like the entire wall was radiating sound and the tone was the richest and most musical I've ever heard. I really hope the label survived the transition to digital.
edit:
Whoops, jumped the gun. I found it on google. The label is proprius. I think the specific release is Cantate Domino. It looks the same and the description is right.
If you like organ and/or choral you must hear this. Even if you can just tolerate it, its worth hearing. The site explains that it was recorded in a church with a revox reel to reel and two pearl microphones.
Small disclaimer first though. I'm about %80 sure this is the recording. If it has Silent night than Im %98 sure but there is no listing of tracks on the site. I haven't heard the cd or sacd version either.
here's the site:
http://www.proprius.com/
heres a brief review, guess this is it.
http://www.tnt-audio.com/edcorner/holidaymusic_e.html
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"Hossam Ramzy – Further Journeys into pure Egyptian Percussion".
Simply breathtaking. If you have a high-res system with good bass and/or subs your in for a real treat. Prepare to be physically 'beaten up' by drums - literally! The recording captures the sound of the drum skins as well as the resonant effect of the drum itself, and the ambiance of the room too.
Lots more interesting percussion stuff here:
ARC Music
I worked there for a while and had the chance to explore the vast tombs of world music on offer. Not once did I encounter a bad recording and the above mentioned album in particular was awesome!
some of the Spanish acoustic guitar CD's were particularly good too.
Mike.
Some "audiophilisticianmaniaks" will want to hang me high and short for that, but...
LL Cool J's album entitled Exit 13 is pretty well done (except the lead tune "It's time for war" where the symphonic-style background is lousy and compressed).
Just listen to track 2 "Old school new school" at maximum level ...
The sound of the album remains generally very clean and detailed even at *very* loud level.
PS 1: please, be assured that I normally recommend Diana Krall, Patricia Barber, Ry Cooder, Dire Straits and the usual sonically correct stuff as well, which is more my kind of music...
PS 2 : the album is available for 5 Euro$bucks (or less) at Amazon.com
LL Cool J's album entitled Exit 13 is pretty well done (except the lead tune "It's time for war" where the symphonic-style background is lousy and compressed).
Just listen to track 2 "Old school new school" at maximum level ...
The sound of the album remains generally very clean and detailed even at *very* loud level.
PS 1: please, be assured that I normally recommend Diana Krall, Patricia Barber, Ry Cooder, Dire Straits and the usual sonically correct stuff as well, which is more my kind of music...
PS 2 : the album is available for 5 Euro$bucks (or less) at Amazon.com
For those who like blues:
I can recommend to have a look at the production of the Music Maker relief foundation.
I bought a very nice compilation titled "The last and Lost blues survivors", distributed under the label Dixiefrog, dated 2005.
There are a number of *very* well recorded songs. See for instance on CD1 "Waiter" by Captain Luke and Cool John: one voice, one guitar (what a voice and what a guitar!).
Most soundtakes were made in the MM studio and they sound very natural, lots of space between the musicians, excellent bandwidth, punchy bass, clean voice etc. (only the stereo image is at times somewhat funny, but very nice). On CD1, see the bassline on track 6, foottaps on track 18. Pura Fé's well-known song " Wait 'till you come back again" is on track 7, and Sol's punchy modernised "Black Mattie" on track 11; both were recorded at MM studios...
Gret job and a nice tribute to many elderly musicians. The records can be purchased directly from the Musicmaker.org website at good prices (and people would do a good action); sadly, shipping costs to my country are more expensive than the CDs themselves.
I can recommend to have a look at the production of the Music Maker relief foundation.
I bought a very nice compilation titled "The last and Lost blues survivors", distributed under the label Dixiefrog, dated 2005.
There are a number of *very* well recorded songs. See for instance on CD1 "Waiter" by Captain Luke and Cool John: one voice, one guitar (what a voice and what a guitar!).
Most soundtakes were made in the MM studio and they sound very natural, lots of space between the musicians, excellent bandwidth, punchy bass, clean voice etc. (only the stereo image is at times somewhat funny, but very nice). On CD1, see the bassline on track 6, foottaps on track 18. Pura Fé's well-known song " Wait 'till you come back again" is on track 7, and Sol's punchy modernised "Black Mattie" on track 11; both were recorded at MM studios...
Gret job and a nice tribute to many elderly musicians. The records can be purchased directly from the Musicmaker.org website at good prices (and people would do a good action); sadly, shipping costs to my country are more expensive than the CDs themselves.