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Old 5th October 2015, 08:55 PM   #1
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NY branch of the Audio Engineering Society is sponsoring a lecture on the 1938 broadcast whose originals went missing:

Benny Goodman's January 16, 1938 concert in Carnegie Hall was one of the most important musical events of its era. It signified a major cultural shift, in which jazz was accepted as more than just entertainment played in "low" venues like brothels and speakeasy's. The recording of the concert, first released in 1950, was an immediate hit and has never been out of the catalog since. It is, simply, the largest selling jazz album of all time.

There have always been mysteries and misconceptions about how the concert was recorded and what source was used for the initial 1950 LP release. Further, when Columbia reissued the concert on CD in the 1980's, it appeared that the original transcription disk recordings made in 1938 had been lost, so the first CD issue used the 1950 tapes. In the 1990's, Phil Schaap, backed by the resources of Sony (who now owned the Columbia catalog), finally tracked down the original disks and produced a reissue from them in 1999. That reissue was controversial, as many of the problems of reproducing 1930's era transcription disks were not dealt with as well as they might have been.

So matters stood until recently, when Seth Winner, one of the most experienced historical transfer engineers around, came into possession of the original transcription disks. At this AES New York section meeting Vincent Pelote and Mr. Winner will discuss the importance of this concert, the origins of this particular set of discs, and the problems that are present in this source as well as in all the previous re-masterings. We will hear audio examples illustrating both the problems that are present and the digital techniques that can be used to restore the sound for possible future reissues.
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My dad had the mono LP release of this concert from sometime in the early 1950s, I remember it sounding pretty good. We went away on holiday one winter break in the mid 1970s and our apartment was robbed while we were away. The thieves apparently had good taste in Jazz as they stole most of my dad's small jazz collection, while the police recovered some of our stuff those records were never found.
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Perhaps the guy running the police dept evidence locker had good taste in jazz as well.

I recall that there are Gershwin recordings from the original piano rolls with Michael Tilson Thomas, will have to look in the vinyl dump here. No such luck with the clarinet I suppose.
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So matters stood until recently, when Seth Winner, one of the most experienced historical transfer engineers around, came into possession of the original transcription disks. At this AES New York section meeting Vincent Pelote and Mr. Winner will discuss the importance of this concert, the origins of this particular set of discs, and the problems that are present in this source as well as in all the previous re-masterings. We will hear audio examples illustrating both the problems that are present and the digital techniques that can be used to restore the sound for possible future reissues.
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Have these found there way onto disc? The best/most recent I'm aware of is this GOODMAN, Benny - The Complete Benny Goodman Carnegie Hall Concert 1938 - Jasmine Records
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Reading the downloadable sleeve notes, seems the Jasmine release is just a clean up of the 1999 masters.

BTW I do have the Gershwin/Tilson Thomas record which I jumped at having, when about 14, heard a cassette of a duo-art playing the Gershwin rolls.
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That's my understanding too, they've done a good job
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And you are a very bad man for pointing me to that website :P
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I'm trawling the music forum at the moment, more gems to bring to the surface..............
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My dad had the mono LP release of this concert from sometime in the early 1950s, I remember it sounding pretty good. We went away on holiday one winter break in the mid 1970s and our apartment was robbed while we were away. The thieves apparently had good taste in Jazz as they stole most of my dad's small jazz collection, while the police recovered some of our stuff those records were never found.
Kevin I am so sorry buddy...I hope your dad was able to find another record MONO copy of the concert!!


Stupid robbing fools!!!
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I always remember the concert for clarinet and orchestra by Carl Maria von Weber with Benny Goodman at clarinet, ha, ha... was my first reaction, until the music start... I dropped my socks... unbelievable a true master!

I think it was this recording

Weber* – Benny Goodman, Chicago Symphony Orchestra*, Jean Martinon - Clarinet Concertos Nos. 1 And 2 (Vinyl, LP) at Discogs

It is the only from C.M. von Weber that I still remember... because of Benny Goodman.
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