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Old 3rd December 2012, 02:25 AM   #161
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Which is sad, because it's impossible to undo. I can use a gentle expander to help some stuff, but it's always so hard to get it set right.
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Which is sad, because it's impossible to undo. I can use a gentle expander to help some stuff, but it's always so hard to get it set right.
This is because of the extreme ways that limiters have been used. Some mastering engineer have used a lot of limiting, and other not so much. Pick your target....that is how things are on the technical music side of things. Movies are a different animal for sure, there are standards to follow in that area.
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Limiters allow you to chop off the waveform ... Which is sad, because it's impossible to undo.
I remember seeing software that supposedly finds those "mesas" and interpolates the missing curve. I haven't used it, though. I've avoided the worst cases and manually fixed the minor problems. Has anyone given this software a good workout? I've seen some CD rips that looked and sounded hopeless.
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Which is sad, because it's impossible to undo. I can use a gentle expander to help some stuff, but it's always so hard to get it set right.
I'm a little confused. Are you talking about sound reinforcement (I thought) or recording?
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Recording in this case, sorry. Was talking about limiting and compression in live sound, then switched to recorded without making note of it. My oversight.
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I remember seeing software that supposedly finds those "mesas" and interpolates the missing curve. I haven't used it, though. I've avoided the worst cases and manually fixed the minor problems. Has anyone given this software a good workout? I've seen some CD rips that looked and sounded hopeless.
I personally have never seen this software, but I would imagine it would be difficult to do what you state. It would have to know the exact amplitude before the limiter was used before it could restore it back to the way it was. It would also have to lower the level of the entire track, or it would overload the D/A converters trying to restore the pre-limited volume.
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It attempts to calculate the "missing geometry" and does lower the level of the rest of the track to do so. I had to lower the overall level when I did it manually. I remember now also seeing it being used by Ron Tipton of TDL in his restoration pages, for instance here.
Maybe not the same situation as was being discussed. Apologies for that detour.
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It works just like I thought. It would have to lower the overall level, or it would be repeating what was done before.

I think he misuses the word restortation here. He is not really restoring anything, he would have to have the original elements to do that.
Repairing would be an excellent word, since he is fixing what was broken in the recording.
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Either way, it's an interesting idea that is worth some playing around with. I don't think I have any software that could do it, but I'd like to try it on few "too loud" recordings.
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I guess I am a bit old school in some areas. I still prefer external processors over DAW plug-ins.
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