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Old 22nd July 2012, 02:26 AM   #1
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Got a reality check this week: medium size church, full of well dressed folks, a pipe organ, a trumpet, a tenor, doing Bach and Handel. No mike, no amp, no speakers. I was on axis with the horn. Reality=Fidelity. Now back to my hobby.
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Got a reality check this week: medium size church, full of well dressed folks, a pipe organ, a trumpet, a tenor, doing Bach and Handel. No mike, no amp, no speakers. I was on axis with the horn. Reality=Fidelity. Now back to my hobby.
Good. You've now got an excellent reference marker, so your mission, should you choose to accept it , is to replicate that sensation, that experience. It is possible ...

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It is possible ...

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Are you sure?

I wouldn't expect current speaker technologies (most of which revolves around waving bits of paper around with magnetic fields) to come close.

Electrostatics might do better, but even so. Current speaker technology has velocity (instead of position) control over the cone. Its like going from Xbox gaming to PC gaming.

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Got a reality check this week: Reality=Fidelity.
Many years ago I was at a hotel in State Collage Pennsylvania, There was a three piece ensemble in the main lobby during a summer art festival. Violins and clarinet. I was amazed at the richness and depth of sound with all the overtones and fullness of those three instruments playing in a real space.

As a long time member of the NJ Audio Society I've been exposed to many high-end and highly refined systems. But none of them has ever reproduced the live fullness of sound I heard that afternoon. Not even Ralph Glasgal's megabuck ambiophonic system.
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Are you sure?

I wouldn't expect current speaker technologies (most of which revolves around waving bits of paper around with magnetic fields) to come close.

Electrostatics might do better, but even so. Current speaker technology has velocity (instead of position) control over the cone. Its like going from Xbox gaming to PC gaming.

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It's to do with overall system tuning or optimisation. Unfortunately, at the current level of development and refinement of the art and science of audio reproduction, it's like sitting on a razor's edge to get to that point. But the fact that the vast majority of the time systems never reach that level, or only do so for a short of time, doesn't signify that it can't happen.

First of all, you have to believe that the goal can be achieved ...

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My "first of all" would be, live music is best. Like fresh food. Then we have the chase. Enhanced reproduction a la 3D cinema or J Roberts surreal horns. Better than the original!
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My "first of all" would be, live music is best. Like fresh food. Then we have the chase. Enhanced reproduction a la 3D cinema or J Roberts surreal horns. Better than the original!
Why not, just as good? My goal is for it to sound completely natural, it just "fits" as part of the landscape. Most audio is of the, look at me!, look at me!, variety; fine for the short haul and the impressive demo, but not so hot in the long run ...

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Thank you for that; better than real doesn't interest me. Live acoustic music has a boundary. The players and their instruments are over there, some distance from me, not in my face. And the highs don't sizzle. Unless the brass man sticks his horn in my ear, or I've camped out under the drum set.
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Got a reality check this week: medium size church, full of well dressed folks, a pipe organ, a trumpet, a tenor, doing Bach and Handel. No mike, no amp, no speakers. I was on axis with the horn. Reality=Fidelity. Now back to my hobby.
Surely fidelity in the case of live music is about whether the performers play well, with due respect for the music and the space they're playing into?

If they're playing into a room like mine, with equipment like mine, they should play differently, and so they do, with mixed success. A "live recording" is clearly a contradiction and its fidelity can never be very high.

Fidelity = authentic performance, always.
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Can't agree regarding the live recording. Done well the room is included, and I may say the "moment", which gets lost in the phoned-in process of most recordings.
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