Advice on recording...

michaelrmgreen · 19th November 2008, 04:31 PM

I want to record some live classical music, mainly small scale stuff.

It's just a bit of fun so I don't want to spend TOO much.

Assume I have an up-to-date laptop (actually its a Toshiba Satellite Pro A120 Core 2 Duo 1.83 Ghz, 1 Gb memory 60Gb hd). What else do I need, both in principle and specifically. All advice welcome, I'm a noob.

Conrad Hoffman · 19th November 2008, 04:39 PM

I'm an absolute noob at this as well, but have had some good results with the really cheap ($60) large diaphragm condenser mics you can get now. The trick is that they need the full 48V phantom power supply to sound good. A high quality external A/D is the way to go, maybe an Emu or similar. Zzounds.com is a good place to get things, and their advice is usually pretty decent if you call or email. The items giving the best bang for the buck change frequently so get a wide variety of opinions.

HK26147 · 19th November 2008, 07:57 PM

Make your own mics from Panasonic WM-61 cartridges.
Very Cheap, Very small and inconspicuous ( if need be ) and if modified can handle a high SPL.
You will find a variety of sites(Linkwitz for one ) that describe how to do this in detail, and how to build a mic preamp, for added flexibilty.
The Stereophile Reference CD's have tracks that demo the sound of various mic. positioning techniques to give you an idea what to try.

http://www.linkwitzlab.com/Recording...-recording.htm
http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic

michaelrmgreen · 20th November 2008, 06:31 PM

Thanks for the advice guys, I looked on zzounds site and I gues these are the sort of things:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSEV57M
http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU0202

Cheers.

Conrad Hoffman · 20th November 2008, 07:12 PM

Yup, though I wasn't specific, those are exactly what I use. Note that you still need a phantom 48V supply. This can be a few caps and resistors, plus a stack of 9V batteries, or a commercial unit. Some people have a low opinion of those mics, others very high. I think they sound amazingly transparent and have a low noise floor. I also use the little Panasonic condenser mics for testing. IMO, they work well for measurement, but the signal to noise ratio is pretty bad, and I haven't found any fix for it. You can also do the trace-cut mod, but be sure to have a few spares, as it's a bit risky. Finally, note that the Emu 0202 is a bit weird in that the inputs are not the same. Though it has two channels, only *one* channel has a high gain mic input. It works great for stuff like recording from another preamp, but I think there are other models with two high gain mic inputs that would be better suited to what you describe. IMO, Emu stuff is great, but their description of the input circuitry is dismal.

michaelrmgreen · 21st November 2008, 03:52 PM

>Finally, note that the Emu 0202 is a bit weird
>in that the inputs are not the same. Though
>it has two channels, only *one* channel
>has a high gain mic input.

Blimey, that's a bit odd, I would have been completely caught out by that. I guess that's what this sight is about, sharing experience.

So, the question becomes 'What's the best way to get two channels of microphone output into your computer?'

Ta, as we say around here (which appears, from my profile, to be the land of Couch. LOL). Cheers, Michael.

sreten · 21st November 2008, 04:34 PM

http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOMOBILEPRE ? or similar ?

/sreten.

michaelrmgreen · 21st November 2008, 08:29 PM

Thanks.

dangus · 25th December 2008, 06:02 AM

Take a look at those Zoom flash recording gizmos, which come complete with stereo microphones. The H2 is under $200 (on eBay, FWIW), the H4 under $300.

dangus · 25th December 2008, 06:51 AM

Zoom H2
Not much more expensive than that mic interface.

The Zoom H4 has 1/4" mic inputs (with phantom power), and can act as a computer audio interface.

I wouldn't complain about finding either of those in my stocking tomorrow morning.

19th November 2008, 04:31 PM	#1
michaelrmgreen diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2005	Advice on recording... I want to record some live classical music, mainly small scale stuff. It's just a bit of fun so I don't want to spend TOO much. Assume I have an up-to-date laptop (actually its a Toshiba Satellite Pro A120 Core 2 Duo 1.83 Ghz, 1 Gb memory 60Gb hd). What else do I need, both in principle and specifically. All advice welcome, I'm a noob.

19th November 2008, 04:39 PM	#2
Conrad Hoffman diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canandaigua, NY USA	I'm an absolute noob at this as well, but have had some good results with the really cheap ($60) large diaphragm condenser mics you can get now. The trick is that they need the full 48V phantom power supply to sound good. A high quality external A/D is the way to go, maybe an Emu or similar. Zzounds.com is a good place to get things, and their advice is usually pretty decent if you call or email. The items giving the best bang for the buck change frequently so get a wide variety of opinions. __________________ What's in your junk box?

20th November 2008, 07:12 PM	#5
Conrad Hoffman diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canandaigua, NY USA	Yup, though I wasn't specific, those are exactly what I use. Note that you still need a phantom 48V supply. This can be a few caps and resistors, plus a stack of 9V batteries, or a commercial unit. Some people have a low opinion of those mics, others very high. I think they sound amazingly transparent and have a low noise floor. I also use the little Panasonic condenser mics for testing. IMO, they work well for measurement, but the signal to noise ratio is pretty bad, and I haven't found any fix for it. You can also do the trace-cut mod, but be sure to have a few spares, as it's a bit risky. Finally, note that the Emu 0202 is a bit weird in that the inputs are not the same. Though it has two channels, only one channel has a high gain mic input. It works great for stuff like recording from another preamp, but I think there are other models with two high gain mic inputs that would be better suited to what you describe. IMO, Emu stuff is great, but their description of the input circuitry is dismal. __________________ What's in your junk box?

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19th November 2008, 07:57 PM	#3
HK26147 diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2008	Make your own mics from Panasonic WM-61 cartridges. Very Cheap, Very small and inconspicuous ( if need be ) and if modified can handle a high SPL. You will find a variety of sites(Linkwitz for one ) that describe how to do this in detail, and how to build a mic preamp, for added flexibilty. The Stereophile Reference CD's have tracks that demo the sound of various mic. positioning techniques to give you an idea what to try. http://www.linkwitzlab.com/Recording...-recording.htm http://www.linkwitzlab.com/sys_test.htm#Mic

20th November 2008, 06:31 PM	#4
michaelrmgreen diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2005	Thanks for the advice guys, I looked on zzounds site and I gues these are the sort of things: http://www.zzounds.com/item--MSEV57M http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU0202 Cheers.

21st November 2008, 03:52 PM	#6
michaelrmgreen diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2005	>Finally, note that the Emu 0202 is a bit weird >in that the inputs are not the same. Though >it has two channels, only one channel >has a high gain mic input. Blimey, that's a bit odd, I would have been completely caught out by that. I guess that's what this sight is about, sharing experience. So, the question becomes 'What's the best way to get two channels of microphone output into your computer?' Ta, as we say around here (which appears, from my profile, to be the land of Couch. LOL). Cheers, Michael.

21st November 2008, 04:34 PM	#7
sreten diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brighton UK	http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOMOBILEPRE ? or similar ? /sreten.

21st November 2008, 08:29 PM	#8
michaelrmgreen diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2005	Thanks.

25th December 2008, 06:02 AM	#9
dangus diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vancouver Island	Take a look at those Zoom flash recording gizmos, which come complete with stereo microphones. The H2 is under $200 (on eBay, FWIW), the H4 under $300.

25th December 2008, 06:51 AM	#10
dangus diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vancouver Island	Zoom H2 Not much more expensive than that mic interface. The Zoom H4 has 1/4" mic inputs (with phantom power), and can act as a computer audio interface. I wouldn't complain about finding either of those in my stocking tomorrow morning.

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