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Old 2nd April 2009, 11:14 AM   #451
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Joe,
Very well done on another unusual application of a fringe theory!

And finally, this explans why some companies bias their interconnect and speaker cables.

I (Vacuum State) make both wire and foil interconnects, and foil speaker cables. They were first described in the SuperCables CookBook over 10 years ago now - and a key part in the developmewnt of these cables since then has been in making the conductors - especially the foil conductors - impervious to movement (with respect to each other) from the AC signal fields generated by the signal passing through the cables.

Because just like the conductors inside a cap, the energy needed for any movementof a cable conductor must come from the signal itself, and that means energy subtracted from the signal, often in unpredictable ways.

Adding a bias will make the cables far more complex, maybe far too much, but needs to be tried, along with our already unique ideas.

Thanks for the idea.

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Old 3rd April 2009, 02:55 AM   #452
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Adding a bias will make the cables far more complex, maybe far too much, but needs to be tried...
Yup. This subject has legs to run...

Hi Allen, good to see you joining in.

When can you get Hans to do 'our' pair over there in the land of Swiss cheese? I am dying to get feedback on this. I spoke to Mike Lenehan and he's also going to try it on his ML-1 http://www.audiophilia.com/hardware/...ws/lenehan.htm (nice review), but everybody seems so busy right now, including me.

The weekend is upon us, so hopefully some Elsinore constructor out there will take the opportunity going first among them?

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Old 3rd April 2009, 05:17 AM   #453
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Joe, I have a confession to make .
I was sitting in front of my/your Elsinores last night, listening to some Metisse (a new artist to my ears) and started thinking , how cool would the Elsi's look if they had another two drivers on top making them a WWWTWWW , and what if the front baffle was curved so they were all time aligned properly as well .
(Yes, I often come up with brain explosions when I've had a few medicinal beverages).

Anyway, I then remembered about the Hamsters (dang, did it again, strike that) Hamlets, and seeing as my wife was in the room at the time, I broached the subject with her.
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Yes, well. It seems there are some more things on my "must do to keep my lovely wife happy" list than I had previously known about.

But, I'm going to pick up some flowers and some jewellery on the way home from work this arvo so don't write me off just yet
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Old 3rd April 2009, 05:41 AM   #454
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I plan to do it, but since I live in a condo with no garage and no tools, it might take me a while
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Old 3rd April 2009, 01:13 PM   #455
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Hi Joe,
I continue to enjoy Elsinore's.
Another audio buff and diy'er that heard them for the first time was blow away to say the least..

The change to the tweeter crossover looks interesting. I'm aiming for this weekend to try it out.

I looked around this morning and came up with qty-10 4.7uf 250v nichicon polarized caps and 1/2w 100k resistors.
Should these be fine? It's beats waiting for a mailed package to find out..

What about conjugate?

Joel
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Old 3rd April 2009, 02:49 PM   #456
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Joe, I have a confession to make .
I was sitting in front of my/your Elsinores last night, listening to some Metisse (a new artist to my ears) and started thinking , how cool would the Elsi's look if they had another two drivers on top making them a WWWTWWW , and what if the front baffle was curved so they were all time aligned properly as well .
That could be cool or something like this but with the other tweeter
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Originally posted by Joel Wesseling

I looked around this morning and came up with qty-10 4.7uf 250v nichicon polarized caps and 1/2w 100k resistors.
Should these be fine? It's beats waiting for a mailed package to find out..

What about conjugate?

Joel
Try the caps if you've got them. Leave the conjugate exactly as before.

It might be a good idea to put a 1K resistor in parallel with the conjugate - this should make sure that the first cap sees ground potential at all time. Some amps may take exception on turn-on if it sees an 'ungrounded' cap with a bit of DC on it. May make some noises. A 1K resistor should fix that. It's value in non-critcal and 330R to 1K should be OK.

Re 100K, exact value is not all that critical and even 1/2 Watt should be OK.

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(Yes, I often come up with brain explosions when I've had a few medicinal beverages).
Go to the local Dan Murphy and get a six-pack of Elephant beer (made by Carlsberg and fully imported from Copenhagen). It, will set you back $18 and 7.2% as rated by Al K. Hall; and while drinking it, reflect that I was born about 3Km away (in Frederiksberg) from the place that stuff was brewed. AFAIK, it is strongest beer available in Australia. And not a bad drop.

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ridiculously strong beer is closer than you think Joe, this tastes good too
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Go to the local Dan Murphy and get a six-pack of Elephant beer (made by Carlsberg and fully imported from Copenhagen). It, will set you back $18 and 7.2% as rated by Al K. Hall; and while drinking it, reflect that I was born about 3Km away (in Frederiksberg) from the place that stuff was brewed. AFAIK, it is strongest beer available in Australia. And not a bad drop.

Joe R.
As a Dane who loves his beer, i must say i like your choose in beverges. But i prefer Tuborg gold or as they are better know in Denmark, Golden ladies, B!tches or golden ammo
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But i'm done building the original cabinets and have had them play 2 weeks now, must say that i am VERY impressed!

Now for the center channel, it sounds different not as good as the fronts, but very close! you said you might have some ideas about crossover changes. What did you have in mind?
But it do sound a lot better than a B&W HTM61

In the center channel cabinet i moved the basport in the middel behind tweeter pointing downward


Are building the other cabinets now, so far so good, The first 2 curved layers on the sides now and they look pretty darn good

And if no one post anything about the tweeter crossover change you surgested soon, then i going to do it
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