The "Elsinore Project" Thread

[petefrontiers]

Originally Posted by Joel Wesseling

CNC Envy here.. If you were a little closer Pete, I'd see about getting some future ideas machined..

Great job on all recent builds..

Elsinore works great at 10'(havent experimented with closer) apart to centers and around 42" out but inch back and fourth to find bass balance without boom or cancellation..

Thanks for the input for speakers placement. How far is your seat from the speakers?

For the CNC, I did what I could with the cutting tools we had since they are very expensive, especially diamond cutters. We don't have angle cutting tools so I used a skill saw to do the chamfers on the front. Once the programs are done and tested, all panels can easily be done for ten pairs of Elsinore per day.

[ermat1234]

Originally Posted by jdkJake

Looking great ermat1234!

What are you going to use to drive them?

Thanks JD.

I,m currently trying my old amp which is an intergrated 200w Plinius 9200.

Its a bit too early to say, but from memory, having heard Joes speakers through Joes valve amp mabe i think Joes amp has it over mine for what i refer to as "Fluid / smooth" valve amp sound where as the 200w amp realy does make these babies stand to attention, which is not a bad thing either.

Maybe i need both amps, i'm never satisfied!

[Joel Wesseling]

Originally Posted by petefrontiers

Thanks for the input for speakers placement. How far is your seat from the speakers?

For the CNC, I did what I could with the cutting tools we had since they are very expensive, especially diamond cutters. We don't have angle cutting tools so I used a skill saw to do the chamfers on the front. Once the programs are done and tested, all panels can easily be done for ten pairs of Elsinore per day.

I actually have 2 near fields and a far field.. The room is 17x20 feet and heavily treated so well controlled.. The furthest is at the back 17foot wall with couch and speakers pointed straight at this position.. I sit with friends here and I'm not as engrossed and looking into the soundsatge as much but some prefer this position.. There is also 8 2x6 traps pressed right at the back wall.. I alone normally sit a about 7.5 feet and this is were everything seems right but at 6 feet I can look right through into the highly focussed and detailed soundstage but maybe a little to thin and cool on some recordings..

I keep saying that I think there is still possible better setup to get the best of both near field signatures but with Elsinore I just end up listening to music and cant be bothered..

I've now taken my setup to the highest level I've experienced with Triode Lab tube amps. Planning to run several models throughout the house..

Music Rules, Joel

[Francois G]

Originally Posted by Joe Rasmussen

The "JR Minis" - also useful as centre channel - in which case build three and (hint to anybody interested) and use Elsinore as main Left & Right. In that case no real need for a sub. Anyway, that's the idea presented here.

Also quite nice as a small stereo pair.

First the box:





How you make the box is up to you.

<snip>

Joe R.

Joe,

Planning to build a pair of JR Minis and wanted to be sure - are the drawing dimensions exterior?

Thanks,
Francois

[Joe Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by ermat1234

Thanks JD.

I,m currently trying my old amp which is an intergrated 200w Plinius 9200....

Maybe i need both amps, i'm never satisfied!

The whole thing about power rating of loudspeakers is a numbers game all of its own (a racket?), so I would never give a power rating other than they can be driven surprisingly loud with a relatively small amp and also that they can handle LOTS of power. So 200 Watt, no problem whatsoever.

Cheers, Joe R.

[petefrontiers]

Originally Posted by Joel Wesseling

I actually have 2 near fields and a far field.. The room is 17x20 feet and heavily treated so well controlled.. The furthest is at the back 17foot wall with couch and speakers pointed straight at this position.. I sit with friends here and I'm not as engrossed and looking into the soundsatge as much but some prefer this position.. There is also 8 2x6 traps pressed right at the back wall.. I alone normally sit a about 7.5 feet and this is were everything seems right but at 6 feet I can look right through into the highly focussed and detailed soundstage but maybe a little to thin and cool on some recordings..

I keep saying that I think there is still possible better setup to get the best of both near field signatures but with Elsinore I just end up listening to music and cant be bothered..

I've now taken my setup to the highest level I've experienced with Triode Lab tube amps. Planning to run several models throughout the house..

Music Rules, Joel

Your description has been very instructive for me, Joel. My couch is at 6 feet from the front of speakers and, even if my room is deeper, I can't move it further away because it is blocked by an half wall. At 9 feet apart, the singer was centered but the rest of orchestra sounded a bit weird to my ears, like if they were standing too far from each other, and yes, the sound was a bit lean and cold. I found my nirvana at 8 feet apart and front of speakers at around 40 inches from the wall. I still have to experiment a bit with toe-in and distance from the wall, but I'm very satisfied of what I hear right now.

A friend came in today to listen to them and he was blown away. My old speakers were good (diy with Vifa and Seas drivers) but Elsinore are just in another league.

[Joel Wesseling]

Francois,The drawing for Mini is exterior

Pete, Glad I could help a little with the setup

I was using high power SS for a time and they have excellent
crankability

Happy New Year!

[Joe Rasmussen]

Hmm... somebody said my Avatar looks like Orson Welles?

[Francois G]

Hmmm.

May be. Without glasses and mustache?

But Orson was no electronics genius.

Francois

[Francois G]

Originally Posted by Joel Wesseling

Francois,The drawing for Mini is exterior:

Happy New Year!

Hi Joel,

Thanks for your help on the Mini JR Question.

Another question, in your opinion, please.

Should I build the pair of minis used for accombined channel, or a dedicated center channel speaker with 6.25 nomex drivers-I bought two extras.

Those Elsinore aluminum wave guides you sent are sounding wonderfiul. Thanks so much!

Francois