The "Elsinore Project" Thread

[prairieboy]

Thanks for that Joe.
Joel, filling grain with shellac is difficult, because its so thin (you're using dewaxed, right?) unless you're French polishing, which is also difficult. I always liked a mix of boiled linseed oil and spar varnish (a homemade danish oil finish). You can proportion the mix to get the desired result: more varnish gives a harder finish, but you have to work faster; more oil, less durable, but more work time. You could start with 3:1, oil to varnish. Slap it on, let is sit a bit, keeping it wet, and then wipe it off thoroughly. Give a second coat and you should have a nice, built up, durable finish. If you wish, finish off with paste wax and the finest steel wool (or equivalent 3M pad) you can find.

[Joel Wesseling]

Originally Posted by prairieboy

Thanks for that Joe.
Joel, filling grain with shellac is difficult, because its so thin (you're using dewaxed, right?) unless you're French polishing, which is also difficult. I always liked a mix of boiled linseed oil and spar varnish (a homemade danish oil finish). You can proportion the mix to get the desired result: more varnish gives a harder finish, but you have to work faster; more oil, less durable, but more work time. You could start with 3:1, oil to varnish. Slap it on, let is sit a bit, keeping it wet, and then wipe it off thoroughly. Give a second coat and you should have a nice, built up, durable finish. If you wish, finish off with paste wax and the finest steel wool (or equivalent 3M pad) you can find.

Yes, dewaxed but dissovled in Isopropyl Alcohol which I discovered gets spit out(capilliray Action).. Hard to tell this until you way into it..When Dissolved in Denaturated Alcohol it's stays in the pours but somehow my batch had to much moisture and caused clouding..

Anyway, for now I'm going to simpler grain filling and top coat with the shellac..

I will try you idea in the future though.. Thanks

Hope you do the mini's and comment on them?

Joel

[Joe Rasmussen]

A bit of a sad announcement, A. Neville Thiele has passed away here in Sydney. He was 91.

He is of course the Thiele as in Thiele-Small Parameters.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Thiele

[seanny]

[jdkJake]

Originally Posted by Joe Rasmussen

A bit of a sad announcement, A. Neville Thiele has passed away here in Sydney. He was 91.

He is of course the Thiele as in Thiele-Small Parameters.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Thiele

Sad news. That said, he certainly lead a long productive life.

Certainly his contribution to the science behind all of this cannot be underestimated.

Rest well Neville. Rest well.

[jdkJake]

Originally Posted by Joel Wesseling

Spent I lot of time trying to grain fill with shellac on Mini's but it's a real PITA

All mini's will now get clear epoxy fill or paste filler and then I'm comfortable doing one of these methods on the current Paduak Elsinore

Joe, is a matching MTM Mini center possible??

Thanks, Joel

Joel,

Are those Elsinores in the last two photos? Are you now employing a detachable back panel (or similar)?

I see you are using layered, overlapping panels on that build.

[Joel Wesseling]

Originally Posted by jdkJake

Joel,

Are those Elsinores in the last two photos? Are you now employing a detachable back panel (or similar)?

I see you are using layered, overlapping panels on that build.

Yes, a removable back panel and have same on my running pair. 2 Inductors will get mounted to the center brace.. 18mh is air and very large..

Pictures describes it best. 24mm ply with rabbet/mitre corners and rabbet for panels to sides..

Also sandwiched CNC steel plates for front baffle..
Waveguide mounting adjusted to 4mm

[jdkJake]

Steel plates! Dude, that is so extreme... And so very cool!

What kind of weight gain does the bring to the front baffle? Gees, I bet those things are heavy. Never thought about the resonating frequency of steel, but sandwiched between BB sheets probably makes that a moot point. What do you use, if anything, between the steel and the wood? In any case, no doubt the baffle is about as stiff and ridged as they come.

The rabbet/dado is nicely executed. I bet they assembled like a dream.

What does the shallow depth waveguide bring to the party?

[Joel Wesseling]

Originally Posted by jdkJake

Steel plates! Dude, that is so extreme... And so very cool!

What kind of weight gain does the bring to the front baffle? Gees, I bet those things are heavy. Never thought about the resonating frequency of steel, but sandwiched between BB sheets probably makes that a moot point. What do you use, if anything, between the steel and the wood? In any case, no doubt the baffle is about as stiff and ridged as they come.

The rabbet/dado is nicely executed. I bet they assembled like a dream.

What does the shallow depth waveguide bring to the party?

Thanks, I can't seem to stop getting the most detail and focus out of them..

Guessing the weight of the steel is about 15lb
The Total weight completely assembled with the 1/2 steel bases and spikes is about 170.. base/spikes are 30lbs alone

The front baffle is 6mm ply glued to sub front. Then steel attached to that with construction adhesive and 6mm ply on top of that with adhesive..
I know have 6mm of ply before I hit the steel so I can sink the woofers and waveguide 4mm.

The diameter of cut outs in the steel is 2mm wider than the prescribed cut outs as per Joe's Diagram.. This way the router bit won't hit metal as long as Router Jig is aligned perfectly. 1mm clearance

I plan to try a set with steel applied to the front of 12mm ply. Powder coat the steel and have the woofers and waveguide not flushed.. Ie) display the steel front. Maybe try a cool front colour on this pair but a bit afraid how it might look

[irext]

Looking at all this lovely woodwork makes me want to build another pair! I had so much fun building the first ones but I would pinch a lot of your ideas for the second pair. I,d take a lot more time too, since I already have a pair to listen to. Very nice work.