The "Elsinore Project" Thread - Page 101 - diyAudio
Go Back   Home > Forums > Loudspeakers > Multi-Way

Multi-Way Conventional loudspeakers with crossovers

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 7th November 2011, 02:16 PM   #1001
tade is offline tade  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Ralieigh nc
Send a message via AIM to tade
I've seen a waveguide application for this project, but I know the original design calls for thick felt around the tweeter. For those looking for something techier, and maybe as functional, check out aluminum foam!
Aluminum Foam
I think it would look really cool and work well in this application.
  Reply With Quote
Old 7th November 2011, 07:55 PM   #1002
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Gainesville, FL
Default Huh

Certainly a cool looking material with a number of interesting applications, but unless I'm misunderstanding your intent, it seems like it would make for an exceptionally lousy wave guide at tweeter wavelengths. Neat stuff though! Pocofoam is another very cool substance for entirely other reasons, as long as we're talking about techy materials with good conductivity and highly porous surfaces. Also probably not well suited for wave guides.
  Reply With Quote
Old 7th November 2011, 10:39 PM   #1003
tade is offline tade  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Ralieigh nc
Send a message via AIM to tade
I agree, foam with a high absorptivity would make a poor waveguide material.

I'll have to check out poco foam!

Last edited by tade; 7th November 2011 at 10:40 PM. Reason: I made a mistake.
  Reply With Quote
Old 13th November 2011, 11:50 PM   #1004
jdkJake is offline jdkJake  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Seminole, FL
Default A perfect circle...

Broke out the Jasper jig today. Now I know why people love this jig, it makes short work of cutting perfect circles. A very, very handy device.

I went ahead and practiced cuts for the main sizes needed for the Elsinore. I also went ahead and created a "Joel Jig" for allowing proper alignment in order for the tweeter to be tapped and mounted onto the waveguide.

I used 151mm (5 and 15/16 on the Jasper) for Joel's waveguide and the fit was pretty much perfect. A very slight amount of give, but, not too much. I used 146mm (5 and 12/16 on the Jasper) for the 830875 drivers, which, was also fine.

For my first attempt at the "Joel Jig", I used 105mm (4 and 2/16 on the Jasper) for the tweeter front plate. This size, IMO has a bit too much leeway, so, I recut another one at 103mm (4 and 1/16 on the jasper). This cut, while slightly too tight, allowed me to sand down and hand-place a workable yet firm alignment with the waveguide (the front plate is held in place by the jig). This is the jig I will use for tapping the waveguide as the slight give on the waveguide appears to support a nice range of final alignment options.

BTW, I know now why Joel went with 6/32 threads. This thread size will give the most amount of alignment play for the final tweeter mounting. Going to 8/32 would probably be a better fit, but, you better be sure you are dead-nuts on as there will be little to no play for final alignment. I am going to use the 6/32 thread size.



A couple of pics of the process. From here I will cut the front panels (after I get a new bit, this one is pretty much toast from my rookie abuse) and tap out the wave guides. Good stuff!

Oh, and here is a picture of the infamous gap. Not sure if I will do anything to fill this gap as it does not appear to be an issue with Joel's builds. Time (and creativity) will tell if I can come up with a clever solution for addressing the gap.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_3238.jpg (58.3 KB, 732 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3231.jpg (38.4 KB, 712 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3233.jpg (46.1 KB, 704 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3234.jpg (34.8 KB, 701 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3235.jpg (36.8 KB, 687 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3237.jpg (40.5 KB, 141 views)
__________________
-- jk --
  Reply With Quote
Old 13th November 2011, 11:56 PM   #1005
jdkJake is offline jdkJake  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Seminole, FL
Default More fun with the Jasper jig...

I figured while I had the Jasper jig attached to to the router, I would also make a test cut for the ports I am using.

I went with the 4 inch hole setting on the Jasper jig. Perfect!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_3242.jpg (28.1 KB, 117 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3243.jpg (49.7 KB, 73 views)
__________________
-- jk --
  Reply With Quote
Old 14th November 2011, 01:36 AM   #1006
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Courtice, Ontario
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdkJake View Post
Broke out the Jasper jig today. Now I know why people love this jig, it makes short work of cutting perfect circles. A very, very handy device.

I went ahead and practiced cuts for the main sizes needed for the Elsinore. I also went ahead and created a "Joel Jig" for allowing proper alignment in order for the tweeter to be tapped and mounted onto the waveguide.

I used 151mm (5 and 15/16 on the Jasper) for Joel's waveguide and the fit was pretty much perfect. A very slight amount of give, but, not too much. I used 146mm (5 and 12/16 on the Jasper) for the 830875 drivers, which, was also fine.

For my first attempt at the "Joel Jig", I used 105mm (4 and 2/16 on the Jasper) for the tweeter front plate. This size, IMO has a bit too much leeway, so, I recut another one at 103mm (4 and 1/16 on the jasper). This cut, while slightly too tight, allowed me to sand down and hand-place a workable yet firm alignment with the waveguide (the front plate is held in place by the jig). This is the jig I will use for tapping the waveguide as the slight give on the waveguide appears to support a nice range of final alignment options.

BTW, I know now why Joel went with 6/32 threads. This thread size will give the most amount of alignment play for the final tweeter mounting. Going to 8/32 would probably be a better fit, but, you better be sure you are dead-nuts on as there will be little to no play for final alignment. I am going to use the 6/32 thread size.



A couple of pics of the process. From here I will cut the front panels (after I get a new bit, this one is pretty much toast from my rookie abuse) and tap out the wave guides. Good stuff!

Oh, and here is a picture of the infamous gap. Not sure if I will do anything to fill this gap as it does not appear to be an issue with Joel's builds. Time (and creativity) will tell if I can come up with a clever solution for addressing the gap.
Progress looks real good! The weather looks nice Too

Regarding the gap, I'm listening to mine with a 1.5mm unfilled gap as per post 967. I think Terry is on to something
The sound is uncongested and very involving. window into the recording space with great focus
  Reply With Quote
Old 14th November 2011, 11:16 AM   #1007
jdkJake is offline jdkJake  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Seminole, FL
Joel,

Just for clarification, are you increasing the gap even larger than the one shown above? If so, by what means (washers, spacers, air gap, etc... )?

Yes, the weather in FL lately has been wonderful as of late. This is the time of year (oct to may) that makes living in FL a delight.
__________________
-- jk --
  Reply With Quote
Old 14th November 2011, 02:04 PM   #1008
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Courtice, Ontario
From the point projection is touching I'm around 1.5mm spaced. I'm hanging the waveguide on mounting screws to play with gap but I'll use fender washers for the bolt size used to mount the tweeter to waveguide..

I't seems that playing with the gap up to a point has a subjective effect- in conjuction with speaker placement-. Right now vocals that might normally be a little forward are more laid back and image precision is consistant..
Is the gap correct?????? Can I listen all night without feeling there's somethings wrong? Yep

The only time things sound really odd to me is when the waveguide isn't centered or it's leaning or left and right are mounted different from each other..

Joel
  Reply With Quote
Old 14th November 2011, 03:06 PM   #1009
tpate is offline tpate  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Dallas, Texas
I found that the "chamber" behind the wave guide should be sealed for best sound, I used thin foam around the outside circumference of the back of the wave guide.
  Reply With Quote
Old 15th November 2011, 12:58 AM   #1010
jdkJake is offline jdkJake  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Seminole, FL
Interesting observations and suggestions. Thanks Joel and tpate.

I'll have to be sure to leave the mounting threads a bit longer to support changing out the distance from the guide to the tweeter facing. I will probably build it with minimal gap at first to establish a reference and then go from there.
__________________
-- jk --
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
"Proac 2.5 clone" or "Elsinore project" Joel Wesseling Multi-Way 10 26th May 2011 05:51 AM
A thread to post your "project files" critofur Multi-Way 10 21st March 2008 12:50 PM
"compact loudspeaker factory visit from "magico mini" thread Nanook Multi-Way 2 4th January 2008 07:30 AM
The "Really simple and cheap speaker designs for the newbie!" thread. Spasticteapot Multi-Way 5 19th March 2006 04:16 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 11:08 AM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2014 diyAudio

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2