What mid should i get??

PoorSound · 28th December 2006, 09:01 PM

So far i've done TONS of reading and research and think i've finally chosen my tweeter and woofers. For the tweeter i would like to get the Peerless HDS (810921) and the Peerless HDS Exclusive 6.5" woofers (830883). I want them to be a floorstanding speaker with the mid at the top, then tweeter, then the two 6.5" woofers. What mid would you suggest? I would like to stick with all Peerless but they only have one mid to choose from (821615), which doesn't seem like anything to brag about.
Ive read up on Vifa, and have looked at the D75MX4108 (from the regular line) and the PL11MG0908 (from the "premium" line, which i'm assuming is the Peerless V-line?). What can you suggest?
Thanks!

augerpro · 29th December 2006, 12:09 AM

What's wrong with the 830882? Also have you considered using the 830883 in a 2 way MTM? 3ways are generally pretty tough for us noobs to get right, though I can't speak for your skills...

Nemophyle · 29th December 2006, 12:39 AM

with a tweeter like the hds, and a 6.5 Woof, i really really don't see the usefullness of using a mid-driver, even distortion wise, the extra sd of bigger driver gets you lower distortion.

my serious advice : get a second peerless exclusive woofer and do a 2.5 way : neater crossover, decreased imd , i don't see the directivity as an issue as with the hds tweet you certainly can cross low enough, but, if directivity is an issue, then waveguide your tweet, then you have a perfect system.

but if you want a mid driver , look at either the dayton RS-52 if you want a dome, or one of the smaller exclusive ( 5 or 4) if you want a cone, it will match your drivers pretty well i think.

really don't see the interrest of using a vifa poly driver, it has higher distortion, sloppy cone, why going with theses neat low distortion high stiffness hds exclusive if it is to use them in the range in wich theses advantages are the less usefull, the bass ??

pinkmouse · 29th December 2006, 12:47 AM

Yup, go two or two and a half way. Getting the crossover correct for a three way with that arrangement of drivers is not for the faint hearted.

tinitus · 29th December 2006, 02:17 AM

As said, doing a 3-way is very tricky, but if you insist I would look at a Tangband mid, W4-1129C - it has very wide FR and could make it a lot easier

But I think woofers with phase plugs looks a bit strange - 2 x 8" Tangband, W8-750A might work nice in closed box

PoorSound · 29th December 2006, 03:47 AM

I think i'm going to get the crossover built for me so i don't think that's an issue.
So from what i've gathered the Vifa mids aren't very good. I want to get all my components from Solen and they don't seem to carry Dayton. What about anyting from Seas, or Visaton? or Morel? would mids from these companies match the Peerless HDS series?

augerpro · 29th December 2006, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by PoorSound
I think i'm going to get the crossover built for me so i don't think that's an issue.
So from what i've gathered the Vifa mids aren't very good. I want to get all my components from Solen and they don't seem to carry Dayton. What about anyting from Seas, or Visaton? or Morel? would mids from these companies match the Peerless HDS series?

Again I'll ask: what's wrong with the 5.25" 830882? Your getting Exclusive woofers so why not use the smaller Exclusive for mid?

Edit: reread your first post. Peerless has every size from 4"-10" in the Exclusive series. So I'm not sure what you mean by them only having that one mid 821615...

Edit again: I guess it's a 5.75" mid
http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/ind...11625&pid=1948 Solen carries them too

smithy666 · 29th December 2006, 04:24 AM

I've just finished Dave Ellis' 1801 speakers, with the Seas W18E001 woofer/mid and Hiquphon OW1. I've only been listening for a few hours, but they are a sweet combo. I think using these as your mid & tweet and then adding a suitable 10/12" (Scanspeak/Flexunit?), would be extraordinary.....

augerpro · 29th December 2006, 04:38 AM

Also the mid/tweet layout is influenced by the polar response. It wouldn't be good if these are 40" tall with a -20 degree vertical polar response because of the layout. Of course that all depends on the XO. You could work something out to keep the layout you want and the polar response pointing at the seating position, but it is still something to be aware of.

tinitus · 29th December 2006, 05:21 PM

You could take a look at this nice speaker

http://www.zaphaudio.com/Waveguidetmm.html

28th December 2006, 09:01 PM	#1
PoorSound diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: brandon	What mid should i get?? So far i've done TONS of reading and research and think i've finally chosen my tweeter and woofers. For the tweeter i would like to get the Peerless HDS (810921) and the Peerless HDS Exclusive 6.5" woofers (830883). I want them to be a floorstanding speaker with the mid at the top, then tweeter, then the two 6.5" woofers. What mid would you suggest? I would like to stick with all Peerless but they only have one mid to choose from (821615), which doesn't seem like anything to brag about. Ive read up on Vifa, and have looked at the D75MX4108 (from the regular line) and the PL11MG0908 (from the "premium" line, which i'm assuming is the Peerless V-line?). What can you suggest? Thanks!

29th December 2006, 12:47 AM	#4
pinkmouse diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chatham, England	Yup, go two or two and a half way. Getting the crossover correct for a three way with that arrangement of drivers is not for the faint hearted. __________________ Al I conceive of nothing, in religion, science or philosophy, that is more than the proper thing to wear, for a while. Charles Fort

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29th December 2006, 12:09 AM	#2
augerpro diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2006	What's wrong with the 830882? Also have you considered using the 830883 in a 2 way MTM? 3ways are generally pretty tough for us noobs to get right, though I can't speak for your skills...

29th December 2006, 12:39 AM	#3
Nemophyle diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: paris	with a tweeter like the hds, and a 6.5 Woof, i really really don't see the usefullness of using a mid-driver, even distortion wise, the extra sd of bigger driver gets you lower distortion. my serious advice : get a second peerless exclusive woofer and do a 2.5 way : neater crossover, decreased imd , i don't see the directivity as an issue as with the hds tweet you certainly can cross low enough, but, if directivity is an issue, then waveguide your tweet, then you have a perfect system. but if you want a mid driver , look at either the dayton RS-52 if you want a dome, or one of the smaller exclusive ( 5 or 4) if you want a cone, it will match your drivers pretty well i think. really don't see the interrest of using a vifa poly driver, it has higher distortion, sloppy cone, why going with theses neat low distortion high stiffness hds exclusive if it is to use them in the range in wich theses advantages are the less usefull, the bass ??

29th December 2006, 02:17 AM	#5
tinitus diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005	As said, doing a 3-way is very tricky, but if you insist I would look at a Tangband mid, W4-1129C - it has very wide FR and could make it a lot easier But I think woofers with phase plugs looks a bit strange - 2 x 8" Tangband, W8-750A might work nice in closed box

29th December 2006, 03:47 AM	#6
PoorSound diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: brandon	I think i'm going to get the crossover built for me so i don't think that's an issue. So from what i've gathered the Vifa mids aren't very good. I want to get all my components from Solen and they don't seem to carry Dayton. What about anyting from Seas, or Visaton? or Morel? would mids from these companies match the Peerless HDS series?

29th December 2006, 04:24 AM	#8
smithy666 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney	I've just finished Dave Ellis' 1801 speakers, with the Seas W18E001 woofer/mid and Hiquphon OW1. I've only been listening for a few hours, but they are a sweet combo. I think using these as your mid & tweet and then adding a suitable 10/12" (Scanspeak/Flexunit?), would be extraordinary.....

29th December 2006, 04:38 AM	#9
augerpro diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2006	Also the mid/tweet layout is influenced by the polar response. It wouldn't be good if these are 40" tall with a -20 degree vertical polar response because of the layout. Of course that all depends on the XO. You could work something out to keep the layout you want and the polar response pointing at the seating position, but it is still something to be aware of.

29th December 2006, 05:21 PM	#10
tinitus diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005	You could take a look at this nice speaker http://www.zaphaudio.com/Waveguidetmm.html

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