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Old 12th November 2006, 01:09 AM   #1
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Default Temp setup: BEST MID AND TWEET we can buy ?

I am looking to build the mid-high of my system
temporary before i complete my ESL project

So i am looking at 150hz+ MID and Highs
that will be working in conjunction with my soon to be
4 times 15" Ripole subs for use in my 10X15 room
( music, computer, movies and some games )


Should i just go with Linkwitz recommendations on the Excel serie or is there anything better in the same $$$ range that we can buy ??

What is the best combination of M-T that we can buy in the sub 1000$USD( 2pairs of course )

This will be used probably 1 year in my room
and i'll either sell it or put it in another room's system
later on ..

I need suggestion for drivers ..
and please nothing of OK quality
I want only TOP NOTCH ..already got ok loudspeakers

budget is around 1000$USD for 2 pairs


BTW : will probably be using it in Dipole as the room benefits will be enormous compared to boxed drivers
( since the room is only 10' large and i am sitting 4' from one and about 5' from the loudspeakers! )

I don't really care of the look ...well i don't care of it at all!!




Also include ur crossover freq suggestion if suggesting a pair please!
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Old 12th November 2006, 07:13 PM   #2
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Default mid-tweets

Might want to track down a pair of these.. w/ xover @200Hz 24dB

http://www.atcsd.com/pdf/Product-She...Planar-150.pdf
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Old 12th November 2006, 08:52 PM   #3
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why exactly are you suggestion those?
i have never heard of this company
and it seems to be a product directed toward public annoucements and stuff like that ..

have you used em ?

wanted to get the best of dynamic drivers though for this quick project..not sure that i'd consider planars
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Old 12th November 2006, 08:58 PM   #4
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was looking at scan-speak tweeters ...
OMFG are they expensive units!

why are those sooo much more expensive than anything else i can find ?

i do not see how a company can suggest a 500$USD
tweeter when most other companies make some serious units in the 100-200$ range


What are the best woofers period ??
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Old 12th November 2006, 10:09 PM   #5
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There is no "best ever" driver of any sort. They are all the sum of the compromises made by the designers. The best you can do is choose one that fits in with your design goals, whatever they may be.
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Old 12th November 2006, 10:16 PM   #6
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ok
let's change the topic for :

Excellent mid+tweet // suggestion??
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Old 12th November 2006, 10:38 PM   #7
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Hi,

I'm a bit confused here. In one post you ask for
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What are the best woofers period ??
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Excellent mid+tweet // suggestion??
Woofer or mid-range? Or do you just want a mid-bass?

Zalytron have Accuton C12-6 tweeters for $195ea or C23-6 tweeters for $225 ea (I figure you probably don't want the D20-6). They also have C92-6 mid-bass for $230ea or the excellent C95-T6 for $275ea. Either would give you an excellent 2-way, but you would then probably have to replace most of your upstream components and you'd have to look seriously at your cross-over component also. And that would be setting you back some serious bucks.

Have a look at some of Tony Gee's stuff on Humble Homemade Hifi. He has made some very nice 2- and 3-way speakers, using some very nice componentry (and carpentry). You may find some nice ideas there, and the added bonus is that he's a member of this forum. But, from looking at his final products, the cost split seems to be about 35% - drivers, 35% - crossover components, 30% - cabinets (depends on the speaker). And that's not including the software and time that he takes in development. But you could probably make one of his designs verbatim for the $1000US you mentioned.
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why exactly are you suggestion those?
i have never heard of this company
and it seems to be a product directed toward public annoucements and stuff like that ..

have you used em ?

wanted to get the best of dynamic drivers though for this quick project..not sure that i'd consider planars
Yes I've used them... thought you might want to consider them since they come up on ebay from time to time for ~400 / pair... and they are FAR Quicker than dynamics... especially in a dipole... ribbon like 150WRMS power handling... that sort of thing

thought you might want to do a little research...
The ones I got were custom fabbed, claim 92 ish sensitivity, response from ~200 Hz to 40KHz...

All I can say is they made quite an improvement to my RD75 dipoles..

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...85#post1055085

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JinMTVT -

I would suggest you visit www.zaphaudio.com - you will find a lot of very valuable information there - namely in the driver comparisons - and there are several designs there that might suit you.

None of them is dipole but you may be able to adapt crossover to that. You'll find that the most expensive drivers aren't always the best performing, though some of the Scan Speak ones do seem to be unbeatable.

Metal woofers take careful crossover design - some more than others, but you don't necessarily have to go with the Excel magneseium units to get top quality sound - there are lots of great aluminum woofers to consider, some requiring less complex crossovers to get the sound right.

Hope this helps.

P.S. - don't just look for the "best" individual drivers - look for the overall design - one thing that makes Zaph such an excellent resource.
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For "hi-fi"-style drivers, the numbers would suggest these:

http://tymphany.com/datasheet/printview.php?id=55
http://tymphany.com/datasheet/printview.php?id=85
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