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Old 25th November 2002, 10:24 AM   #11
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I was trimming both with the grain and across the grain. The veneer is not paper backed. The grain just seemed to split apart and pull away. I think I am going to finish these boxes and try out some of the techniques above and I will stain them black (hopefully to hide some of the flaws).

Then I guess I will start the next pair of boxes and either finish with veneer again, If I can get it to work, or I will face it with some 1/4" hardwood if I cant get the veneer.

Thanks for all the tips thus far, any more would be appreciated.
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Old 25th November 2002, 11:41 AM   #12
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Just a quick thought, if your glue layer was too thick, then veneer can move silghtly whilst being trimmed, leading to just the problems you describe.

I recomend the PVA wood glue and hot iron method mentioned by Rip, this produces excellent results if care is taken, IMHO, contact adhesives should be reserved for plastic laminates.
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Old 25th November 2002, 12:27 PM   #13
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Will just regular yellow wood glue work or do I need a special glue?
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Just do a test, put some on a scrap piece of wood in a thin layer, let it touch dry, then see if you can iron a piece of paper on to it and see if it sticks!
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Default the problem with PVA glues

is that the wood fiber absorbs a lot of the water and swells -- the best results I ever had were using hide glue flakes which you disolve in water in a glue pot. You have to work quickly with the stuff. One of the great advantages is that if you get a little slopover you can take a scraper and remove the excess very easily and quickly. This allows you to stain. With the vinyl adhesives if you get a little glue on the topside surface you will never get it off sufficiently well to stain.<p>
here's a link to Constantines -- the store used to be (it may still be) in the Bronx near Einstein hospital. They seem to have a very comprehensive webstore:
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Default Vinyl adhesives

I guess that I should clarify -- PVA is a vinyl, (poly vinyl acetate) the problematic contact resins include not only those which are non-halogenated (like PVA), but also those which are halogenated, or use ketones and alcohols as the solvent -- if you get a drop of the resin on the topside of the veneer you'll never get it out (until you sand down to the substrate.)
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Make sure you don't use the environmentally friendly contact cement (it's kinda green or blue.) Make sure you use the full solvent based contact cement. I had some cracking problems with cherry where the wood shrunk after application, leaving cracks which I had to fill. Luckily that side was mostly cut out for a sub driver. I used 'real' contact cement on the other side and no problems. I also had bad problems with the veneer curling up with the non-solvent based stuff before application.

That environmentally friendly contact cement went straight to the landfill!
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Yup jackinnj, I know what you mean about PVAs, but having been a veggie for 15 years I have a bit of a problem with hide glue!
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Make sure you don't use the environmentally friendly contact cement (it's kinda green or blue.) Make sure you use the full solvent based contact cement. I had some cracking problems with cherry where the wood shrunk after application, leaving cracks which I had to fill. Luckily that side was mostly cut out for a sub driver. I used 'real' contact cement on the other side and no problems. I also had bad problems with the veneer curling up with the non-solvent based stuff before application.

That environmentally friendly contact cement went straight to the landfill!
Why does the good stuff alway have to harm the environment? R12 refrigerant is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and the new stuff doesn't make cars nearly as cold... but it kills the ozone...

Anyway... for veneered speakers, these are one of the best pairs that I have seen in a while:
http://www.diyvideo.com/forums/showt...7139#post86938

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