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Old 15th May 2011, 10:27 PM   #81
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Im really curious and a bit sceptic. "Commercial speakerare only there to make a buck" Well maybe, but to sell, it gonna need to sounds good. So no argument here abou why not trust a company. They still can put out a product that sounds good, they need to otherwise, they wont sell their speakers! and what about vintage speakers folks. I still prefer my dynaco a25, to some 3k focals at the shop. Im just wondering how much you guys have made comparision between diy speakers and vintage or commercial speakers. If you claim that the speakers you have made is good in comparison to ue new commercial over priced speakers but without seriously tried vintage classics, good commercial speakers and the diy speakers, well your opinions are just worth nothing. Who have made direct comparision between your diy speakers versus a whole lot of vintage and new speakers
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Old 15th May 2011, 11:20 PM   #82
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If by DIY you mean "design it yourself" then I think the odds of outclassing a good commercial design are fairly long. If instead you mean "do (build) it yourself" based on a proven design then I think it's a no-brainer. I have a pair of Linkwitz Orions that fit the bill if you have $3K to spend. Pluto will get you there for less. I don't have personal experience but have read good things about gedlee's designs. Few DIY audiophiles have the talent, equipment, facilities, time and resources to iterate systematically to an optimum outcome, but there are a few who have got there & you can stand on their shoulders.
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Old 15th May 2011, 11:44 PM   #83
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Im really curious and a bit sceptic. "Commercial speakerare only there to make a buck" Well maybe, but to sell, it gonna need to sounds good. So no argument here abou why not trust a company. They still can put out a product that sounds good, they need to otherwise, they wont sell their speakers! and what about vintage speakers folks. I still prefer my dynaco a25, to some 3k focals at the shop. Im just wondering how much you guys have made comparision between diy speakers and vintage or commercial speakers. If you claim that the speakers you have made is good in comparison to ue new commercial over priced speakers but without seriously tried vintage classics, good commercial speakers and the diy speakers, well your opinions are just worth nothing. Who have made direct comparision between your diy speakers versus a whole lot of vintage and new speakers
Well, if I understand what you're saying, then yes I'll make that claim.
Your statement is obtuse, not well thought out and calls for a conclusion that you cannot honestly make.

This type of post is what is commonly called "a troll" and, as such, doesn't deserve the time of day.
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Old 16th May 2011, 12:27 PM   #84
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Im really curious and a bit sceptic. "Commercial speakerare only there to make a buck" Well maybe, but to sell, it gonna need to sounds good. So no argument here abou why not trust a company. They still can put out a product that sounds good, they need to otherwise, they wont sell their speakers! and what about vintage speakers folks. I still prefer my dynaco a25, to some 3k focals at the shop. Im just wondering how much you guys have made comparision between diy speakers and vintage or commercial speakers. If you claim that the speakers you have made is good in comparison to ue new commercial over priced speakers but without seriously tried vintage classics, good commercial speakers and the diy speakers, well your opinions are just worth nothing. Who have made direct comparision between your diy speakers versus a whole lot of vintage and new speakers
Its just common sense.

The price of a commercial design is > 80% overhead. Example $2K speakers will have about $400 of real parts in them. The $1600 in top of that is all other costs (distribution, marketing, R&D, Margins, Dealer Margins (I Like ID models better), Salaries, Health Care and EVERYTHING else that goes into running abusiness). When we build a speaker the price tag on our speaker is only that $400. We do not need add the "other" costs into our builds since everything else is free to us.

Its a common ratio, our $400 speakers can be compared to $2K speakers. Our $2K speakers can be compared to $10K speakers.

We can also customize our designs to our very specific needs where its much harder sometimes to find that comercial option that will fit 100%.

Speaker building isnt Rocket Science and those working for comercial companies do not have access to resources we can not access. Remeber we only need to build one set of speakers vs 1000 units Big difference in how costs are structured and the perfection is on our side.

This is all very logical too me for any to argue against DIY easily beating Comercial tells me that individual has no experience in DIY.

I compare speakers all the time. I have yet to find a comercial speaker that matches what DIY offers. Measurements also back up what DIYers have been doing for years!!

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Old 12th June 2016, 07:38 AM   #85
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How time flies. Any new opinion on this subject?
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Old 12th June 2016, 08:21 AM   #86
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The original poster had doubts that a DIY speaker could sound better than a commercially built speaker yet....amps, preamps and all the other electronics are definitely better?

Yet speakers are the most likely to make a system sound different even though all the data shows neutrallity.

About the only thing I'd say a commercially built speaker is better at is making a pair have two identical aerodynamic shapes since computer controlled equipment can do that better than a guy with a table saw.
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Old 12th June 2016, 08:23 AM   #87
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Both! I use my Tandberg studio monitors as benchmark speakers.
Good to have something well known and good to compare with.
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Old 12th June 2016, 09:17 AM   #88
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What about the latest bunch of creations

Synergy trynergy

Will these designs be the future benchmark ??.
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Old 12th June 2016, 04:23 PM   #89
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I am absolutely sure that my DIY speakers are the best in the world. Mind you, they may suck to everyone else, but I have 100% of what I wanted in loudspeakers. In addition to the 20:1 cost savings vs. commercial speakers, it's like going to a restaurant vs. cooking your own meal. I've made speakers exactly how I wanted them to be, therefore "best" is the proper adjective for me. That I have heard speakers costing 10x as much which I didn't like to listen to is just icing on the cake for me.

So, to my fellow DIY builders, make what you want and be happy.

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Old 12th June 2016, 04:36 PM   #90
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How time flies. Any new opinion on this subject?
lol indeed
I used to be murphythecat and my intuition was right.

Ive build a couple of diy speakers and then went into buying and testing many vintage and new speakers. Ive tried in my room JBL lsr32, wilson cub 2, anj lx, amphion one18, harbeth p3esr, ref 3a decapo, tannoy gold 12 inch, chartwell ls35a.

not one commercial speakers was inferior to the diy speakers Ive build.

Id like to try a troels speaker design though but I doubt hes able to compete with the best speaker designers in the world nor have the time to spend 3 years tweaking a speaker to perfection.

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