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bjackson 26th October 2005 11:35 PM

Huge sound, small room
I live in a small apartment, and will for the forseable future.

I have some (what I consider), very accurate in ear monitors (Shure E4). These produce very accurate, and very good sounds, but since they are in your ear, do not produce any soundstage.

I am looking for something that will produce a huge soundstage for me, even though I am sitting around 5-8 feet away from my speakers in a small room. I could possibly make this distance larger, but maximum of 10 feet. I can't fit really tall speakers into the apartment since I am on the 4th floor with a tight stairwell, so I don't think a line array is for me, unless it's a smaller one.

I have 4 Dayton RS270s I am considering making into a subwoofer, so I am mostly considering the 100-20k range.

I have, let's say, 400 to spend on a pair in parts (let's not include wood, stuffing, etc, but x-over is included). I could go more if needed.

Any ideas into what I should look into? Also total SPL is not a huge concern as I can't really begin to start my system going with my neighbors. 100db is the max I'd consider.

This should give you an idea of the music I listen to if that is a concern:


AJinFLA 27th October 2005 12:46 PM



p.s. they would make great rears in a HT if you eventually move somewhere larger.

Scottmoose 27th October 2005 02:12 PM

A superb speaker. An omni like the Linkwitz design would suit you best. Another option would be to try a bipolar type. If you wanted that, get 4 full-range units of your choice in your price-range (Tang Band or some of the smaller Fostex units) and use Martin's MathCad TL worksheets to come up with something.


mrsteve 27th October 2005 03:46 PM

You sort of answered your own question, I think!

A short line array (like Bill Fitzmaurice's "S.L.A.") would deliver the soundstage you like, yet still be portable and apartment-friendly.
I use one myself for center-channel duties.

The Linkwitz Pluto does look like a fine near-field speaker;
easier to build than a line array too.

A good dipole needs about four feet between it and the back wall.
I have my dipoles sitting three feet from the wall...and compensate with some wall treatment.
They're great.

All of these speaker systems need a subwoofer to flesh out their sound....

Good luck!

DaveM 27th October 2005 06:48 PM

Not to turn you away from persuing a nice set of monitors, but there is a solution to your headphone issues. sells some very nice headphone amps that will allow you to have an image when listening to your phones. Take a peek.


P.S. - I don't own a headroom amp, but I've heard them and I would highly recommend them if you are looking to get the "blob out of your head":)

bjackson 27th October 2005 06:55 PM

I've built a Pimeta with a linkwitz crossfeed, and I didn't like it at all. It was still in my head, but just.... LOL, hard to describe.....

I've had bigger cans, like the Grado 325i's, and they have much more of a soundstage, and work with the crossfeed circuit better, but I still much perfer my speakers....

DaveM 27th October 2005 07:30 PM

I figured it was worth looking into if you haven't already.

I agree completely. The phones are good for late at night or at work, but given a choice I will take a real 2 channel setup any day.


wes-ninja250 27th October 2005 08:18 PM

A Carver sonic holography pre-processor?

(running and ducking)


Scottmoose 27th October 2005 09:35 PM

You could also try a normal stereo setup with a Hafler matrix circuit. Remember, stereo doesn't have to mean just two speakers.

Keep your front speakers normal. Now place two small speakers to the rear of your listening position. Wire the positive terminals on the L & R rear speakers to their corresponding L & R positive terminals on the amplifier. Then wire the negative terminals of the rear speakers together. Add a switch so you can turn the rears off as and when required. That's it. Gives a massive soundstage for minimal effort, and better, it puts the reverb where it belongs -behind you. I've done this off and on for years, and it works superbly for a great deal of music, especially live recordings.

Cheers for now

wes-ninja250 27th October 2005 10:26 PM

That's interesting -- what does it sound like with recordings that have certain things panned all the way to one side? (Simon & Garfunkel being a prime example).


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