Manger Listening experience

[sheabird]

I have been considering using Manger drive's for a speaker project. After listening briefly over the weekend to the Manger Swing speaker, I am left with questions. Hopefully someone can offer some suggestion. I have read a long thread on this site about these drivers and to some extent that helped. I noticed 2 things that really stood out.

1- The system seemed VERY directional. I think someone on this forum mentioned that the polar SPL shows this to be true in the upper freq's. Messing up the positioning seemed to be the difference between very nice and boring.

2-Vocals (I was listening to Female vocals) seemed rather "nasly" and I thought something strange at ~1K. Mr.Pass has posted an SPL curve(I dont think he mentioned what type of enclosure) and it showed significant variation in this area. Manger literature on the Swing looks flat and maybe averaged? Overall I was suprised at this given some of the glowing reviews.

Overall the driver is remarkable but the Vocal issue really bothered me. Has anyone lse experienced this? Has anyone heard a Zero-Box and did it have the same signature? Also I plan to use electronic X-over has anyone tried that?

I was hoping the Manger would simplify the project by avoiding the Xover in the mids but maybe it was wishful thinking?

[soongsc]

Not having listened to the Swing, if it does not have any passive component in it, then it may be the tue sonic signature of the driver or the electronics part of the system.

I would imagine some baffle diffraction induced ripple in the FR of the Swing.

If it's just the XO you are worried about, another option to consider is the Jordan JX53.

[audiotux]

Hi sheabird ,

for a Diy-Projekt i would recommend the Baßtuba from Horst möller
www.hm-moreart.de . The enclosure is easy to build and you need no x-over
just the mangers alone , and a amp with 30Watt is enought.
I personaly prefer Pass Amps , with the Mangers a real Dream-Team .

Greetings from Germany

Jürgen

[phase_accurate]

The FR of the MSW shows two distinct notches at 800 Hz and 1600 Hz approx. You don't see them on the original datat sheet possibly due to averaging.
But these don't disturb very much in practice. The main imperfection is the beaming at high frequencies which makes the Manger a liitle bit of an instrument for selfish listeners.

I am listening to Mangers for a bout three years now and I must say that there are some speakers (mostly large three-way systems) which tend to sound more beatifully and well balanced than the Manger. But the Manger has a sense of realism that others definitely don't have.

Regards

Charles

[soongsc]

Originally posted by phase_accurate
The FR of the MSW shows two distinct notches at 800 Hz and 1600 Hz approx. You don't see them on the original datat sheet possibly due to averaging.
But these don't disturb very much in practice. The main imperfection is the beaming at high frequencies which makes the Manger a liitle bit of an instrument for selfish listeners.

I am listening to Mangers for a bout three years now and I must say that there are some speakers (mostly large three-way systems) which tend to sound more beatifully and well balanced than the Manger. But the Manger has a sense of realism that others definitely don't have.

Regards

Charles

Listening to the 103 over a year ago, it did not seem real at all, but now that I understand beaming is an important, I may not have listened with the speakers in the right position.

[audiotux]

.......the Manger has a sense of realism that others
definitely don`t have . ............


Amen !! Thats right !!



Greetings from Germany

Jürgen

[trusound]

I have wanted to put these in my truck for next year....but had questions on their characteristics and are extremly pricey just to buy and try out...though it would be cool to try