Clarity on Seas Thor Kit - Page 70

Renron · 4th January 2008, 04:28 PM

Bill,
IMO....it would benifit you to build the new cabinets, short thor's if space for them is available. Building new cabinets will never leave you thinking, "I wonder if I should have" instead of trying to remake the existing thors into something they were not designed to be. As far as the X-overs go, I would just use them and see if they are acceptable first, this would save you up to $350 that could be used to pay for the new cabinet wood

.
I am using the original X-overs with very HQ parts and they sound wonderful. As those at the Burning Amp event will tell you. (even though though they were Grossly underpowered)(clipped)
Good luck and enjoy the woodworking.
Ron

Bill Fuss · 4th January 2008, 05:03 PM

Thanks for the reply Ron,
My first thought was the Short Thors, but after seeing the plots of the Smalls I think they would fit my listening tastes a little better, and my room isn't very large either. I dont have a HT setup, just stereo, and I have two Peerless subs that I dont use anymore. I think I'm going to try to delve into the design at Mr King's website and try to determine what I can do to save the cabs, not that I'm lazy but they are truly beautiful cabs, fully cherry veneered with 3/4 radius corners, many,many hours of work.
I forgot to thank all the people on this thread that posted their hard work and insight into saving the Thors and the original design goals, especially Scott for the sims.

I'll stay in touch
Bill

Bill Fuss · 4th January 2008, 05:09 PM

Ron,
About the crossovers, I started messing with them after about a month. I never thought they were as good as they should have been and I made a lot of changes over the following months, but never got them nailed.
Regards, Bill

KarlXII · 5th January 2008, 10:06 AM

I think we're getting close to nailing them over here now.

It is truly remarkable how much impact even small changes in the filter does.

Bill Fuss · 5th January 2008, 12:54 PM

Hi Karl,

I've been following that thread and have been in touch with Jim Mitchell. He believes the inadequate baffle step comp. of the original design might be a bigger problem than the cabs shortcomings. Having heard both cab designs your opinion carries a lot of weight, do you think the Small Thors with the new XOs fill out the thinness without the bass becoming bloated?
As suggested by Jim, I am going to try the new XOs with the original cabs before I start any demolition on them.
I'll report back when I've done it, I'm sure a lot of Thor owners would be interested.

Thanks, Bill

KarlXII · 5th January 2008, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Fuss
Hi Karl,

I've been following that thread and have been in touch with Jim Mitchell. He believes the inadequate baffle step comp. of the original design might be a bigger problem than the cabs shortcomings. Having heard both cab designs your opinion carries a lot of weight, do you think the Small Thors with the new XOs fill out the thinness without the bass becoming bloated?
As suggested by Jim, I am going to try the new XOs with the original cabs before I start any demolition on them.
I'll report back when I've done it, I'm sure a lot of Thor owners would be interested.

Thanks, Bill

Bill,

I know they do.

Bass is simply fantastic with the new XOs in the Small Thor box. Midrange is also a clear improvement from the old design.

Yes, it's going to be really interesting to hear your opinion about the new XOs in the old box. What´s your time plan on that project?

Scottmoose · 5th January 2008, 03:32 PM

I suspect it should help quite a bit. Won't change the fact that the cabinet is effectively an aperiodic TL though & LF gain will never be particularly great as-is. Too small, too heavily stuffed.

Bill Fuss · 5th January 2008, 03:55 PM

Hi all,

Hopefully I'll have the new XOs going by next weekend, just ordered the parts.

Scott, did you catch my proposed mods to convert the old cabs to the Small Thor design? The relocation of the driver center to .21 instead of .25 is my only concern, the internal mods are cake. Whats your opinion?

Thanks, Bill

Scottmoose · 5th January 2008, 04:10 PM

You'll get a little more ripple, but it shouldn't be heartbreaking. Still worth doing IMO, though with MDF etc so cheap, you'd probably find it as easy to just build a new box & have done with it.

Bill Fuss · 5th January 2008, 04:24 PM

Good point, don't know which way I'll go yet. The wife thinks I'm crazy for even considering changing anything, but I cant help it. I know the're not right.

Thanks, Bill

4th January 2008, 04:28 PM	#691
Renron diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sacramento	Bill, IMO....it would benifit you to build the new cabinets, short thor's if space for them is available. Building new cabinets will never leave you thinking, "I wonder if I should have" instead of trying to remake the existing thors into something they were not designed to be. As far as the X-overs go, I would just use them and see if they are acceptable first, this would save you up to $350 that could be used to pay for the new cabinet wood . I am using the original X-overs with very HQ parts and they sound wonderful. As those at the Burning Amp event will tell you. (even though though they were Grossly underpowered)(clipped) Good luck and enjoy the woodworking. Ron __________________ "If it doesn't work properly, hope it catches on fire"- Nelson Pass @ BA3 "I fired up the prototype. Literally." The Prophet Pass.

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4th January 2008, 05:03 PM	#692
Bill Fuss RIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Central Florida	Thanks for the reply Ron, My first thought was the Short Thors, but after seeing the plots of the Smalls I think they would fit my listening tastes a little better, and my room isn't very large either. I dont have a HT setup, just stereo, and I have two Peerless subs that I dont use anymore. I think I'm going to try to delve into the design at Mr King's website and try to determine what I can do to save the cabs, not that I'm lazy but they are truly beautiful cabs, fully cherry veneered with 3/4 radius corners, many,many hours of work. I forgot to thank all the people on this thread that posted their hard work and insight into saving the Thors and the original design goals, especially Scott for the sims. I'll stay in touch Bill

4th January 2008, 05:09 PM	#693
Bill Fuss RIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Central Florida	Ron, About the crossovers, I started messing with them after about a month. I never thought they were as good as they should have been and I made a lot of changes over the following months, but never got them nailed. Regards, Bill

5th January 2008, 10:06 AM	#694
KarlXII diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Stockholm	I think we're getting close to nailing them over here now. It is truly remarkable how much impact even small changes in the filter does.

5th January 2008, 12:54 PM	#695
Bill Fuss RIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Central Florida	Hi Karl, I've been following that thread and have been in touch with Jim Mitchell. He believes the inadequate baffle step comp. of the original design might be a bigger problem than the cabs shortcomings. Having heard both cab designs your opinion carries a lot of weight, do you think the Small Thors with the new XOs fill out the thinness without the bass becoming bloated? As suggested by Jim, I am going to try the new XOs with the original cabs before I start any demolition on them. I'll report back when I've done it, I'm sure a lot of Thor owners would be interested. Thanks, Bill

5th January 2008, 03:32 PM	#697
Scottmoose diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK	I suspect it should help quite a bit. Won't change the fact that the cabinet is effectively an aperiodic TL though & LF gain will never be particularly great as-is. Too small, too heavily stuffed.

5th January 2008, 03:55 PM	#698
Bill Fuss RIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Central Florida	Hi all, Hopefully I'll have the new XOs going by next weekend, just ordered the parts. Scott, did you catch my proposed mods to convert the old cabs to the Small Thor design? The relocation of the driver center to .21 instead of .25 is my only concern, the internal mods are cake. Whats your opinion? Thanks, Bill

5th January 2008, 04:10 PM	#699
Scottmoose diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK	You'll get a little more ripple, but it shouldn't be heartbreaking. Still worth doing IMO, though with MDF etc so cheap, you'd probably find it as easy to just build a new box & have done with it.

5th January 2008, 04:24 PM	#700
Bill Fuss RIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Central Florida	Good point, don't know which way I'll go yet. The wife thinks I'm crazy for even considering changing anything, but I cant help it. I know the're not right. Thanks, Bill