Fertin project - calling all open baffle experts

[mgreene]

I'm still interested - but as the discussion has gone forward, I'm now interested in seeing how successful the current owners are in mating woofers to the Fertin.

I've finally (this week) got my sub to integrate w/ the Hammer S12 and it wasn't easy. In any case, the quality of the bass isn't as fast and present as the Cabasse 21NDC in my other speakers.

Mike

[Brett]

it is a field coil, so I thought you guys might like to see it. Perchance has anyone heard anything of, or even heard this beast?
From <a href="http://www.shindo-laboratory.co.jp/English/speaker.html">Shindo Labs</a>, the Lafitte.

<img src=http://www.shindo-laboratory.co.jp/info/MODEL%20S-20F.jpg>

TTFN

[dice45]

Brett and all,

last two days i was attending AAA anlogue audio show in Frankfurt, Germany, and i met an elder person i told baout FR speekers and he said he just bought a RFR speasker from K.Aschenbrenner who is the German Shindo distributor. From the description he gave me, it must be that speaker on the pix. I just remember his radiant face whne soke enthusingly about this speaker and as he snorted at the same speakers i did not like and preferred the same pro TT audio and studio speakers i liked best at the show, i dare to guess it must be an extremely musical and pleasantly sounding speaker.


BTW,
no speaker came close to the Fertin above 80Hz on this show and there were some very expensive ones.

The thing i liked best at this show was an Eastern Germany company making monitor speakers for studio use; there the comparison between the original master tape and the record made from this tape was demoed on EMT studio TTs (i clearly preferred the tape, but the mastering job of this record was obvioulsy flawed).

The speakers of this manufacturer were 2way coaxials with paper cones. I would send any person seeking small size speakers to that manufacturer.

But i am happy with my Fertins.

[reverendclark]

I'm pretty sold on the Fertins. The PHY and the Supravox specs don't seem to fill the bill. I know that some European manufacturers can fudge their numbers, but I see that as their problem, not mine. Unless a better deal surfaces, I'll get mine from BlackForest.

Peter C

[dice45]

Peter,
the Supravox is a risky experiment anyway, their QC seems to be non-existent. Jean-Michel LeCleac'h reported magnets falling off the basket at HiFi show demo speakers and fromother corners of Europe i hear similar things.

The PHY is superbly made but needs a tweeter according to anyonewho heard it. And is coloured to the extent of being loathsome if i believe my friend. Luigi Reto Andreoli uses the PHY for his wonderful open baffle speaker but also uses a tweeter.

I don't, with my Fertins. No tweeter needed. The only tweeter visible has basket diameter of 8"

Heck,
if this nasty title under my moniker lets me, i may post the promised listening comparison between Fertin OB and my reality-check 2ways one day. No time so far, i apologize.

[reverendclark]

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'll be very interested in any and all results.

At the risk of seeming heretical, has anyone ever reflex loaded one of these things? If they'll generate down to 50Hz, my guess is that they can do the next octave down without a lot of semi-exotic help, just a big box.

Peter C

[Variac]

An open baffle can be built to look like a cabinet, with "doors" that hinge open to each side when in use. When closed they protect the driver from your cats.

[reverendclark]

I understand.

I do have certain space considerations, but I'm also dealing with 44" x 22" x 19" reflex boxes for my co-axes now. I just saw the ~50l. VAS and said, "hmmmm."

Also, I know how to do reflex loading. I'm really trying to avoid having to do any crossover at all, which also avoids the woofer integration bugaboos, as well. But I'm not doctrinaire about this. If open baffles are the way to do it, at least it's cheap to prototype and demonstrate the effect one way or another.

Peter C

[dice45]

All,
could you do me the favour to wait some days until you approach Black Forest?

I intend to find out Fertin location and write them a friendly letter in French. Maybe we can get in business with them directly. Michel Prin in out of Q as a filter in between and also Black Forest is very lazy in promoting this wonderful speaker. Maybe i can tell them things they want to hear.

Did i get that right? interest for 4 pairs of FLB20EX?

[Peter Daniel]

There is interest from me in one pair (maybe even 2).