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Old 27th June 2005, 06:49 AM   #11
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From my experience , you need to become a member of alma , and visit the various shows / exibitions held by transducer material suppliers - hosted through or in co - operation with alma

there is a book from audio ameteur but is for the pro industry

named - the loudspeaker industry sourcebook - it lists suppliers of pole plates , mags , baskets , adhesives , cones , spiders , coils world wide

this above is just a start and only a tip - to be able to produce something that will be comparable to drivers by other companies with years in the market - is not impossible - it some times leads to be amusing - at most tech solutions and captions used by companies to market their products - there is nothing much in this simple mechanical devise - most theories have been around for ages or just a practical thought - - things like TIM of EV is just a name & marketing

there are many ways of starting of :- 1 is adventurious ( the path I took ) 2 nd Safer

Safer ;- Design a driver - procure the parts or know the exact prices in full detail - contact Eminence or others to oem it for you in batches - and check out the market , then take it from there

Adventurous :- Get a better cone made just for your drivers , You can better anything that is the best - you need not just go for a cone devoloped or offered by a cone supplier - say - if they dont mould a particular surround mould it your self

Have your own basket design - pressure casted - Coils & spiders are the easiest to cutomise in loud speakers & you will always be offered custom spiders and coils

Pole plates have them machined to your specs tolerences & design

The rest is work of good adhesives and assembly of parts

some thing like :- give me all the parts of a mercedes most probably with help I will be able to produce it

the art is in having all the raw materials mercedes used - leaving out or circumvating in some way years of their development - by reading up their library asap and getting into production

if we in asia are effectivly applying the above - i certainly encourage enterprenours in the west to do so too -

I have 11 years excperience in manufacturing Drivers and designing own driver parts

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Old 27th June 2005, 03:30 PM   #12
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@hunter audio: Thanks for your reply, that kind of information is exactly what i was looking for.

do you have any more information on the Alma, a link to a web site, address or phone number or what its stands for so i can further research it. lol

i have allot of ideas of what im looking for on a sub and pretty much what i need to do to get there, i just have to make some sketches and get some real time dimensions going.


i thought about contacting Tc sound and see what they would price me for a batch but ill wait till i come back from my deployment, while im out there ill most likely work further into the design and work out all the detailed dimensions and so on.
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Old 27th June 2005, 04:14 PM   #13
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Alma = american loudspeakers manufacturer association

i hope you do not lose your enthusiasm there a lot of oem manufacturers in u.s.

and parts suppliers majors are :- LCC & Nuway - they are cone & spider manufacturers , quite a few voice oil suppliers - precision econo wind etc.

there are lots more only off hand i cannot name all as my busness is else where ,

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Old 27th June 2005, 06:31 PM   #14
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Ohhhh....
you want to start your own company! Ahh, well thats as simple as buying some unique speakers(or making them) and then marketing and selling them at a profit. They key part is marketing there. Look at what bose has done... and do they offer a superior product?
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Old 27th June 2005, 06:33 PM   #15
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@ hunter audio:
thanks again, i'm going to look into it this afternoon.
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Old 27th June 2005, 08:19 PM   #16
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Mr. boricuaso:

If it is your dream go for it. But know that it is a gamble at best.

There are 300 new loudspeaker manufacturers in the U.S. alone every year. Most don't last more than three.

In all the jokes made in this thread there are some good words of advice. Marketing is the toughest thing. With a lot of study you could understand and spec the driver parts. Absolutely get yourself a copy of the Loudspeaker Industry Sourcebook. It is from old colony sound.

http://www.audioxpress.com/magsdirx/lis/

You will have all the manufacturers of driver parts and the products to put them together. You will learn alot.

If you want to go into business let me give you this advice. Build this up as a hobby. Then as an advanced hobby. Then when you have a good relationship with suppliers, plus a core group of people that know what you can do your ready for the next step. Aquire the business sense to make it fly then go for it. To do it all in one shot is the steepest learning curve you are ever going to be put up against. That's why so many fail.

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Old 27th June 2005, 08:53 PM   #17
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from basic economics classes, we learn one key thing to starting a new business...

the only way for a new business to survive in and existing marketplace is to:

1) create a new category, one which didnt previously exist
2) create a product that is unique to others (not necessarily better, but different benefits, advantages, or maybe more mass marketed)
3) create a niche product that appeals to a specific group of consumers (ie - ULTRA high end drivers, drivers specifically for DIY, or ultra cheap drivers, etc...)

those are the basics to making it. as people have said above, there are hundreds of driver manufacturers out there already. unless your product will do one of the three above, i would say forget about it. and im not usually one to discourage people from going after seemingly crazy dreams.

the driver market is very established. it would be hard to break in unless you meet one of the three items above.
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Old 28th June 2005, 01:57 PM   #18
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of the humour here and marketing strategy ,
this is one of my experiences i would not want my enemy to have

1 once - I devoloped this sub woofer cone - non press , thick , strengthened , considerably light , large roll natural rubber surround ( made the mould to mould the rubber ) as no one was interested in my low quantity order

well the unique property of this cone was it had a natural roll off above 250 hz ish - that is even when fed a full range frequency it hardly picked up the vocals - and at 50 w rms with boosting the treble control by 15 db s did not give rise to any hi - frequency from a driver made with this cone - having a common place 4 - layer vc - vc id 40 mm

I set out marketing this driver

to be able to push the low freqeuncies this driver was naturally running at - one needed a high power amp

which needed to be cheap ( here in India ) well designed one with darlingtons - mosfets were out due to majority not being experienced with mosfets etc.

the amp needed a large tranny - expensive - bought a coil winding machine for a - self employed youth aspirant - and taught him to make good trannies EI so that he would make them a bit below market rates for my customers

next designed pcbs for the amp - introduced the concept of plate amps - designed the input section ,

designed the printing films for the front panels of amps and the plates

made the entire thing into a project for amplifiers manufacturers to have as a ready make - cake -

just to sell these drivers - all - long before I came here to diy and ever visited Esp sites etc.

then after all this I have sold i think 50 of these -

I had made 8 inch , 10 inch & 12 inch cones as I thought these will be the next big thing in 2,000 nos each (as that is the lowest figure the cone manufacturer would make for me as it was way out of his product line up ) had spent around a month away from home in heat developing the cone in not so good accomodation and travel

and I ve just counted my losses and moved on to be reminded of this when I went over the reply from mwmkravenchko

the best i can explain this - is an obsession , James B lansing -
I think owed 200 thousand dollars to suppliers when he passed away in the early 50 s and he had a life insurance policy of 100 thousand to bail his company out

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Old 28th June 2005, 04:11 PM   #19
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@hunter audio:
i understand how hard it is for a small company to move a single product to other larger companies.
that why i feel like i have to use the public as the direct consumer of my products.
an also feel like maybe by assembling and distributing the loudspeaker my self will keep cost down and risk to a minimum. there are so many ways of advertising and distributing your product, which is also dependent of the clientele you are trying to reach and how far your trying to spread this product.

could you by any chance go in to detail about this cone you build? it sounds interesting.
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