the wow factor
So another wow
?
But what i meant is that in general i prefer Kharma speakers over comparable Avolon types. Like Carlos i listened to Avalons for years, but in the end i bought a pair of Kharma Ceramique 1 and most people who heard them at my place agree they are superior to Eidolons, even more when you look at the price tags (of course i am lucky the Kharma's are built soms 60 km from my place
)
But that's OT if the thread is about what brand is easier to clone and you can forget about equalizing or improving in terms of sound quality. In both respects cloning an Avalon is the best way to go, imho.
groeten,
Lourens
Audiophilenoob said:
So another wow
?But what i meant is that in general i prefer Kharma speakers over comparable Avolon types. Like Carlos i listened to Avalons for years, but in the end i bought a pair of Kharma Ceramique 1 and most people who heard them at my place agree they are superior to Eidolons, even more when you look at the price tags (of course i am lucky the Kharma's are built soms 60 km from my place
) But that's OT if the thread is about what brand is easier to clone and you can forget about equalizing or improving in terms of sound quality. In both respects cloning an Avalon is the best way to go, imho.
groeten,
Lourens
Yes, I know that. But since you wrote that Madisound had it for $2600 I assumed you ment the smaller tweeter.. the D30 costs about $4000 and Madisound doesn´t have it in their catalog you see. Therefore the "Grande" slipped my mind and I thought you were talking about the Exquiste Reference and all the non-mtm Exquisites uses the 25mm version which is not available and therfore makes them impossible to clone.
Also since the Grand use a 12mm tweeter that one is also impossible to clone.
If anyone wants to clone a diamond equipped speaker they need to look at Eidolon, Coltrane, Tidal or maybe some Lumen White´s or Venture design.
Now I suggest we do as Variac told us to.
/Peter
Also since the Grand use a 12mm tweeter that one is also impossible to clone.
If anyone wants to clone a diamond equipped speaker they need to look at Eidolon, Coltrane, Tidal or maybe some Lumen White´s or Venture design.
Now I suggest we do as Variac told us to.
/Peter
Another idea, go audition the Selah Audio reference line array,
I'm sure it will be difficult to make it so but it should give you peace of mind in that respect. Auditioning the McIntosh and having a bad experience only gives the line array a red mark,
maybe audition a well designed array in a proper room.
also,
Audition the Genesis 1.1 and Dali megaline.
Next rant. I like these;
http://magico.net/index.html
No so much a specific design but the construction methodology,
machined alumimum enclosures, etc.
Another link;
http://www.exoticaudio.org/Exotic_Audio2.html
The dual canoe
home page;
http://www.exoticaudio.org/
I'm sure it will be difficult to make it so but it should give you peace of mind in that respect. Auditioning the McIntosh and having a bad experience only gives the line array a red mark,
maybe audition a well designed array in a proper room.
also,
Audition the Genesis 1.1 and Dali megaline.
Next rant. I like these;
http://magico.net/index.html
No so much a specific design but the construction methodology,
machined alumimum enclosures, etc.
Another link;
http://www.exoticaudio.org/Exotic_Audio2.html
The dual canoe
home page;
http://www.exoticaudio.org/
To AudiophileNoob, for your consideration
The following links are a start if you wish to research some of the solutions to cabinet construction technique used in some difficult projects.
For a few Utopia clones and a Wilson MAXX, http://www.exquisiteaudio.ca/maxx.html
For a Wilson X1 SLAMM, http://www.cliowin.com/FOTO/gpphoto/Hancock/slamm.htm
Thorsten Loesch’s WATT Puppy project, http://users.nac.net/markowitzgd/david/david.htm
a look inside a Kharma showing the cut laminations, http://home.hetnet.nl/~geenius/diary_concept.html
Avalon Sentinel clone at, http://www.dddac.de/ At the menu look under Gydinel very nice looking cabinet, a “cosmetic clone” but probably not as much internal bracing as the Avalon.
On the laminate technique of Alon Wolf, laminations of MDF and aluminum used in Magico speakers ( many links) start with http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/magico/mini_2.html
lost a link to one of Alon’s designs, I think it may have been the WALLS but I could be mistaken about that, it was from a few years back 2001?. The design had about a 7 foot tall stack of MDF cutouts, that’s approximately 84 sheets, with an extensive amount of routing.
See also the Klone-audio forum at, http://f18.parsimony.net/forum32311/
and,
For links to many DIY speaker projects on the net there is a very extensive list at http://www.audiodiycentral.com/jpo-diy.shtml
hope this helps.
The following links are a start if you wish to research some of the solutions to cabinet construction technique used in some difficult projects.
For a few Utopia clones and a Wilson MAXX, http://www.exquisiteaudio.ca/maxx.html
For a Wilson X1 SLAMM, http://www.cliowin.com/FOTO/gpphoto/Hancock/slamm.htm
Thorsten Loesch’s WATT Puppy project, http://users.nac.net/markowitzgd/david/david.htm
a look inside a Kharma showing the cut laminations, http://home.hetnet.nl/~geenius/diary_concept.html
Avalon Sentinel clone at, http://www.dddac.de/ At the menu look under Gydinel very nice looking cabinet, a “cosmetic clone” but probably not as much internal bracing as the Avalon.
On the laminate technique of Alon Wolf, laminations of MDF and aluminum used in Magico speakers ( many links) start with http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/magico/mini_2.html
lost a link to one of Alon’s designs, I think it may have been the WALLS but I could be mistaken about that, it was from a few years back 2001?. The design had about a 7 foot tall stack of MDF cutouts, that’s approximately 84 sheets, with an extensive amount of routing.
See also the Klone-audio forum at, http://f18.parsimony.net/forum32311/
and,
For links to many DIY speaker projects on the net there is a very extensive list at http://www.audiodiycentral.com/jpo-diy.shtml
hope this helps.
Pan said:Yes, I know that. But since you wrote that Madisound had it for $2600 I assumed you ment the smaller tweeter.. the D30 costs about $4000 and Madisound doesn´t have it in their catalog you see. Therefore the "Grande" slipped my mind and I thought you were talking about the Exquiste Reference and all the non-mtm Exquisites uses the 25mm version which is not available and therfore makes them impossible to clone.
Also since the Grand use a 12mm tweeter that one is also impossible to clone.
If anyone wants to clone a diamond equipped speaker they need to look at Eidolon, Coltrane, Tidal or maybe some Lumen White´s or Venture design.
Now I suggest we do as Variac told us to.
/Peter
ah I see now... I was a bit confused
Kharma Grande Exquiste
Max SPL > 118dB... not bad for store bought.
Weight > ~900 pounds.
I have pics of the Alon WALLS
I still think the AR2 design {DIY member} will give these speakers a run for the money and perhaps beat them if you do a few mods.
http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/ar2/
* Replace the tweeter with the pro audio planar.
* Replace the woofer with dual Lambda TD15.
* Use three 2kw pro amps and a digital crossover/eq.
* Design tilt / rotate mech for the mid and tweeter.
Driver cost is about $4k ..
I'd do this right now but my plans are bigger than those.
Max SPL > 118dB... not bad for store bought.
Weight > ~900 pounds.
I have pics of the Alon WALLS
I still think the AR2 design {DIY member} will give these speakers a run for the money and perhaps beat them if you do a few mods.
http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/ar2/
* Replace the tweeter with the pro audio planar.
* Replace the woofer with dual Lambda TD15.
* Use three 2kw pro amps and a digital crossover/eq.
* Design tilt / rotate mech for the mid and tweeter.
Driver cost is about $4k ..
I'd do this right now but my plans are bigger than those.
thylantyr said:Kharma Grande Exquiste
Max SPL > 118dB... not bad for store bought.
Weight > ~900 pounds.
I have pics of the Alon WALLS
I still think the AR2 design {DIY member} will give these speakers a run for the money and perhaps beat them if you do a few mods.
http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/ar2/
* Replace the tweeter with the pro audio planar.
* Replace the woofer with dual Lambda TD15.
* Use three 2kw pro amps and a digital crossover/eq.
* Design tilt / rotate mech for the mid and tweeter.
Driver cost is about $4k ..
I'd do this right now but my plans are bigger than those.
oh thy.... you so crazy
Revenge of the Sith 
is to get 500 NSB's 
and mount them in 
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