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Old 4th June 2005, 05:26 PM   #1
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Default Q: Kapton vs Aluminum VC-former and different wire

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I have tried to find some informtion regarding the use of different voicecoil former materials, as the the subject states: Aluminum VS* Kapton... but I would also like to know about other VC-fomer materials as well and what's the advanatge and disadvantage with respective.

I hvae understod so far that VC fomer of a conducting material is acting as a brake in the magnetfield as the magnetic filed developes a cuurent in the VC fomer, but because the VC fomer is a conducting material it will shortcut the current developed by the magnetic field.

Now I have read that some manufacturer actually use a combination of both Aluminum and Kapton for VC fomers, but that is another storry where they just want to "linearise" the VC ecursion in the magnetic field.
Ok, I give an example: Some have a copper ring at both ends, and when the VC is making large excursion the copper ring will act as brakes at the end excursion when they enter the magnet field in the magnet gap in an attempt to controll cone movement, especially in subwoofers.

But let us now concentrate at the material choice alone for VC fomers.

I wonder also how the VC fomer of a conducting material affect the magnetic field, does it give rises in eddy currents and modulating magnetic field when a conducting VC fomer moves in the magnetic field?

VC wire: are there different types of materials and alloys used as VC wires besides pure Copper and Aluminum wires?

And what is the objective/subjective sound qualities among the different material choices in VC fomers and wires?

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Old 13th June 2005, 06:26 PM   #2
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After a week without any new answers in this thread I bump it up!
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Old 13th June 2005, 07:49 PM   #3
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about voice coil wire, some manufacturer use silver wire (seas excel tweeter 001 for example). The conductivity is higher but mass is also higher. Alu is lighter than copper. Don't know what are the consequences of different materials, but a light voice coil and cone assembly is a good thing for sensitivity.

There is also different kinds of wire. Flat wire, round wire.

And you can have many layers of wire. More layer means more motor strenght but more VC inductance.

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In bass drivers an al former damps the bass resonance and so alters the Q of the driver
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Hi,
square and rectangular wire is used edge wound.
The idea being to minimise resistance by maximising conductor without making the gap wider.
Hexagonal wire is also available.
A stiff former is required to take the motor drive forces out to the cone without any flex.
Aluminium is often used in treble units to lower weight.
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Metal voice coil formers are machanicaly much more ridged and compress less under large impulse loads. This means they should provide a more detailed and dynamic sound. How ever because of metals conductivity it does have damping issues that can get in the way. There is a metal that is more ridged and slightly heaver than aluminum however it is very resistive for a metal and has graetley reduced damping effects. This material is Titanium!
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does a slot in the coil former get over the shorted turn problem?
Or is the shorted turn even a problem?
Titanium is stiffer than Aluminium but how much? Compare an aluminium alloy (maybe L72 or select another high stiffness alloy) with titanium and then divide the stiffness by the S.G and get stiffness per unit weight. I suspect there will be little difference.
Do you have access to the figures?
Titanium has a superb fatigue life but I don't think this could make up for the additional cost involved.

When speakers use 1, 2 or 4 layers, are all the layers wound on the outside of the former?

If there is only one layer how does the return wire get back to the start end through the gap without making the gap wider?

Would it be better to wind a 4 layer coil with the 2 layers on either side of the former?
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Old 21st June 2005, 03:57 PM   #8
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Hi all!


Joules:

About Titanium, yes i have heard about it very little, do you know who use Titanium for their VC's?
Pitty it's a such expensive material, I guess just the coilformer would cost something like 100$ or so...


AndrewT:

Slots in the coilformer may help a bit, but at the same time the structure rigidity will be also weaker, and the roundness of the VC may suffer is my doubts.


In general:

Yes, different coil wire materials have their advantage/disadvanatge, weight is one thing.
BTW, does anybody know any Aluminium, Copper or any other metall which is an alloy and have such a property that the resistance doesn't increase too much with temperature?
I have read somewhere about one Copper alloy yet patented.


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Old 21st June 2005, 04:14 PM   #9
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Hi,
does a slot in the coil former get over the shorted turn problem?
Or is the shorted turn even a problem?
Titanium is stiffer than Aluminium but how much? Compare an aluminium alloy (maybe L72 or select another high stiffness alloy) with titanium and then divide the stiffness by the S.G and get stiffness per unit weight. I suspect there will be little difference.
Do you have access to the figures?
Titanium has a superb fatigue life but I don't think this could make up for the additional cost involved.

When speakers use 1, 2 or 4 layers, are all the layers wound on the outside of the former?

If there is only one layer how does the return wire get back to the start end through the gap without making the gap wider?

Would it be better to wind a 4 layer coil with the 2 layers on either side of the former?
The slot in the former helps immensely in eliminating the "shorted turn" effect. Without the slot, you get a massive shorted turn, and very little motion. With the slot, things dramatically decrease in terms of counter-force from a shorted turn.

Titanium is stiffer than aluminum, but considerably heavier. And since it's really in compression/tension along the former (not across the former) the extra strength from titanium isn't needed. Just a lot of extra mass for really no more usable strength.

Typically all voice coil layers are wound on the outside; winding them on the inside is occasionally done, but can lead to buckling of the windings as they thermally expand.

For the other question... Yes, there are some metals with nearly zero temperature coefficients (DCR doesn't change with temperature); however, they tend to have very high bulk resistivity to start with, meaning you begin with a very high DCR.

For example, phosphor bronze. About 1/5th the tempco of copper, but about 7 times higher in bulk resistivity. So you end up with more thermal stability, but 7 times the DCR of the copper voice coil.

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Hi all!


Joules:

About Titanium, yes i have heard about it very little, do you know who use Titanium for their VC's?
Pitty it's a such expensive material, I guess just the coilformer would cost something like 100$ or so...
Is titanium really that expensive? I did a quick google search and this is the first result:

http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pu...ium/670798.pdf

According to it titanium costs only a few dollars per pound (~0,5 kg).
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