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more field simulations: Seas L18 H1224 motor - WOW!

This is the nicest motor I have analyzed so far. I used 1008 steel and Ceramic 8 D in this simulation. Note that I get a maximum flux of 0.8 T in the gap. If the Seas data sheet (1.0 T) is accurate, this means they must be using even better iron and/or ferrite.
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field symmetry

Notice the nicely steep and straight slopes and the good symmetry. This is even better than the heavily undercut Vifa M25 pole piece - what a difference a small extension can make.
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flux lines

The coil in rest position extends from roughly 6 to 25 on the x-axis of above graph, with a nominal travel of +/- 6 mm.

There would seem to be a slight assymetry in the fringe field that the coil would pick up while moving. However, looking at the flux line plot, we can see that the lines of the upper fringe field are nicely normal to the z axis, wheres the line in the lower fringe field are tilted. As only the normal component counts, we can expect the force curve to be even more symmetrical. I will report as soon as I have figured out how to operate the §()\$/@!!! calculator...

I really wonder why Seas and so many other makers let the magnet extend substantially beyond the diameter of top and bottom plate. It seems all that flux is wasted.
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 21st April 2005, 05:06 PM #4 diyAudio Member     Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England This may be one reason why seas drivers always seem to get good words written about them, they all have (I would assume from this) good motor systems. __________________ What the hell are you screamin' for? Every five minutes there's a bomb or somethin'! I'm leavin! bzzzz! Now with website! www.5een.co.uk under construction.
 21st April 2005, 06:44 PM #5 diyAudio Member     Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Wisconsin Very nice work. You should put this stuff up on a web page sometime. There aren't a lot of people with the skills or software to do these kind of simulations. I wasn't sure if the L18 had a T-shaped pole piece but I had assumed it did from it's good performance. __________________ -Zaph|Audio-
 21st April 2005, 09:20 PM #6 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Germany Thanks for the kind words, but all that is needed is to download Maxwell 9 SV from ansoft.com and work through the getting started guide which takes about an hour. I gets more difficult when you want to use the advanced features which are not covered in that guide. The help pages are nearly like a manual, but unfortunately, only nearly. Oh, and you need to dismantle a driver if you want to plan mods. With the Seas, it's a cinch. Just soak it in warm water for a couple of hours, then carefully peel off surround and spider. The back plate comes off easily after heating it on a ceramic kitchen stove for a couple of minutes. One could remove the back plate without removing the moving parts first, but putting things back together with the magnet still charged might result in a deformed VC former.
 22nd April 2005, 01:04 AM #7 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: rocklin, CA I've been curious about some of the newer Seas drivers. Some of the older ones, well, you've seen my tests. But some of the newer ones do much better. And, in general the cone behavour is a bit more favorable. I'll have to get a 1224 one of these days...
 22nd April 2005, 03:27 PM #8 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Gone on holiday again. back soon. Hi, can I assume the magnet is the blue cylinder in the middle (your right looking at the pic)? Why the deep dish in the backplate? it seems to cause a bottleneck approaching 1.6T. Your general shape more resembles the days of alnico and other expensive magnets Why are the commercial ferrite and ceramic shapes (large magnet volume) so different from yours (small magnet volume)? __________________ regards Andrew T. Sent from my desktop computer using a keyboard
 22nd April 2005, 06:40 PM #9 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Germany This is a rotational symmetric plot, and the center axis is on the left hand side of the picture. The magnet is the light blue thing on the right. I may not have gotten the goemetry of the dish exactly right, but I do expect a slight bottleneck there (actually, 1.6 T is just the knee of saturation of 1008 steel). The dish is there to give the VC extra space for excursion. The line in the third picuture is the VC +/- nominal linear travel, but mechanical xmax is another 10 mm.
 24th April 2005, 08:33 AM #10 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Gone on holiday again. back soon. Hi, what is 1008 steel? Are there other suitable steels/irons? typeNo.? Could you run a further simulation to see if it affects the gap flux? try a 20% thicker backplate but increase the centre where it meets the centre pole by 40% i.e. tapered. Now what if you machine a large countersunk hole in the rear face of the backplate, does it direct the flux more efficiently into the pole? Thanks for confirming centre of rotation, now I can see it more resembles a typical ferrite assembly __________________ regards Andrew T. Sent from my desktop computer using a keyboard

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