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Old 12th April 2005, 11:16 AM   #1
Adrie is offline Adrie  Netherlands
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Default New Danish Ribbon used in best CES 2005 speakers

There's a new "Ribbon" tweeter out there used by Eben out of Denmark

This $ 15000 speaker was named best loudspeaker on CES 2005

The units it's using are from Audio Technology and a new tweeter developed by Raidho

Has anyone heard this tweeter or know how the off axis performance is ?

http://www.eben.dk/eben/reviews/inde...ben-at-ces.htm

The Raidho Planar Tweeter
Designed and manufactured entirely by Raidho,
the FTT75 drive unit is used throughout the
Eben X-Streme Series. Extremely unusual,
the ribbon diaphragm operates as a sealed unit,
constrained right around its periphery. This delivers
a unique balance of virtues: an extremely low moving
mass, exceptional extension and power handling,
but most importantly of all, ideal dispersion characteristics
when it comes to integration with a conventional dynamic
driver. The end result is a performance that extends
from 3.5 KHz to beyond 50 KHz, yet does so with totally
convincing speed, resolution and dynamic integrity.
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Old 10th May 2005, 11:35 AM   #2
mschmir is offline mschmir  United States
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Dear Adrie -

Could I trouble you for information regarding who designated the Eben loudspeaker as best loudspeaker of CES2005?

We are the North American distributors for all Raidho products. We like to keep abreast of all notices and critiques. Somehow this one eluded us.

Thank you very much.

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Old 10th May 2005, 05:15 PM   #3
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The "official" winner was the new NHT Xd speaker system with its DEQX crossover/EQ and digital amps.

http://www.cesweb.org/attendees/awar...f_ces/2004.asp
http://nhtxd.com/
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Old 10th May 2005, 07:06 PM   #4
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Those Eben tweeters are available (without horn) at www.deaudiofabriek.nl. The owner speaks english so do not be afraid of the dutch page. He is also a distributer of Audiotechnology units in the Netherlands.

I have made a small monitor speaker using the C-Quenze 15H and Raidho tweeter. Below is a picture of the test setup (temp enclosure).

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Old 10th May 2005, 08:05 PM   #5
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What is the cost of these new ribbons? Are they onpar with fountek/AC/Raven or are they in a whole different price class?

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Old 10th May 2005, 09:46 PM   #6
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What is the cost of these new ribbons? Are they onpar with fountek/AC/Raven or are they in a whole different price class?

--Chris

I understand that the FTT75 is one from the best tweeter that you can buy today. muchbetter from many other tweeters because that them sealed ribbon and need use with room for the tweeter.
The price is 300 Euro incl. VAT 19%
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Old 11th May 2005, 04:34 AM   #7
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Taco: How did it sound? A mini Review maybe?
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Old 11th May 2005, 05:23 PM   #8
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Taco: How did it sound? A mini Review maybe?

It is a nice sounding speaker, the C-quenze 15H woofer is very very dynamic (high accelartion factor), and that is the reason why I have chosen to pair it with the Raidho. This combination sounds very natural, it has not the "snap" of most paper cones (like older Scanspeak/ Vifa/ Audax), but it has a very fluid presentation.

The tweeter has lots of details, but is not so natural sounding as a Scanspeak 7000 or Eton ER4. Compared to a Esg 2 (Aurum Cantus) the Raidho wins hands down, better dispersion and a cleaner presentation of the details. I big disadvantage of the Raidho is its limited frequency response, it should be crossed >3000Hz, if you use conventional x-over slopes.
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Old 17th May 2005, 06:20 PM   #9
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Using the FTT 75 at 2 KHz is not a problem. The tweeter is semi sealed so it has a natural 1 order roll of satring at app 2.5 KHz. But as it has a high seansitivty of 93-94 dB's the response can be extended as low as 2 KHz. Cross it over 1. order with 15uF, damp it with a series resistor of 3,3 ohms paralelled with 0.22 uF. Then you'll have a picture perfect 2.order roll off at 2 KHz with 90 dB sensitivity.
The tweeter is robust an can easily handle this as it has no resosnance frequensy as mass loadede systems has.
Further more it stores no energy as it has no mass. (0.01g). The main difference to other ribbon is that its sealed and as such operates much more like the conventional units they are sopposed to operate with. (compared to other ribbons). The tweeters are structured very much like the units from Mundorf, but has only half the membrane mass. At first the tweeters can sound a bit dull- recessed, but when you work with it you soon realise that it because of the total lack of noise. and that you hear time smear from the used midrange. I have tremendously good results with dedicated midranges. But its not easy to find the perfect partner. When I analyse measurement results i can see the imperfections af almost any midrange I've tried. The waterfall of the tweeter is like a brickwall with a rise and setteling time faster than my measureing equipment. (50 KHz). When I measure the tweeters on axsis they have extension to the very limit, but not in a very large spot. A few degress off axis they roll off. They seem to have horisontal dispersion like a 30 mm dome. Wich makes sense ar the membrane is 30 mm wide. The vertical dispesion is more limited an they start to roll of at 10 KHz 30 degress of axis (above or below).
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Old 17th May 2005, 06:46 PM   #10
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Originally posted by MiiB
At first the tweeters can sound a bit dull- recessed, but when you work with it you soon realise that it because of the total lack of noise. and that you hear time smear from the used midrange. I have tremendously good results with dedicated midranges. But its not easy to find the perfect partner. When I analyse measurement results i can see the imperfections af almost any midrange I've tried.
So MiiB:
Which midrange did you like best with this tweeter?
Which one matches the best. In your opinion?

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