What is E5 in The Loudspeaker design cookbook?

kimbo · 30th January 2005, 11:59 AM

I've got the forth edition of Vance Dickason's book open in front of me and on p.129 in section 8.41B "Measureing Driver Mass - Delta compliance test method", there is a equation that has what looks like E to the power of five. I can not find it defined anywhere. Can anyone point me in the right direction? The equation is.....

Cmb = Vab / (1.42 x E5 x Sd[squared] )

wintermute · 31st January 2005, 10:09 AM

seems nobody knows

I looked in my 6th edition and it is the same, no explanation of what E is, it is definitely to the power of 5 too. I seem to recall I thought the exact same thing when I read that section before, but decided it wasn't something I would use so moved right along.

If my math was better I'd take a guess as to what it is, but its not so.......

Tony.

richie00boy · 31st January 2005, 10:17 AM

If it's a small 'e' then it could possibly mean exponential, i.e. replace e^5 by 10^5 in your case.

Or maybe it's excursion?

kimbo · 31st January 2005, 10:46 AM

Yeah, shame nobody seems to know. I was hoping to use that method to start figuring out the Cmb as a precursor to calculating the Mmd, compliance etc. The power of five has me stumped.....can't see how the dimensions of the answer could come out correctly unless E is a dimensionless number or constant of some sort.

Anybody else care to hazard a guess?

454Casull · 31st January 2005, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by richie00boy
If it's a small 'e' then it could possibly mean exponential, i.e. replace e^5 by 10^5 in your case.

Or maybe it's excursion?

Small e is generally 2.7182818

kimbo · 31st January 2005, 11:59 AM

Looks like you're right 454Casull! (although lower case e usually stands for natural log) Many thanks.

I was able to find confirmation on the KBapps.com website (recomended for some free calculators http://www.kbapps.com/audio/speakerd...rs/Default.htm ) there is a list of the formulae used, and there is one for Vas which looks like......

Vas = 140000000 * Cms * Sd2

...which can be re-written as

Cms = Vas / (140000000 x Sd [squared] )

and as he has his units in liters instead of cubic meters, we can knock off three zeros, implying that ...

E5 = 100000 or 10 to the power of five!

So it looks like he lapsed into engineer speak of 'exponential five'. It would have been much clearer if he had just written 10 to power 5.

oh well, live and learn. Does anyone see a problem with this resolution?

richie00boy · 31st January 2005, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kimbo
Looks like you're right 454Casull!

Oi! Don't let him steal all my glory

kimbo · 31st January 2005, 12:36 PM

Whoops....sorry about that richie00boy. A thousand pardons. You were right on the money.

I was so excited about finding confirmation on kbapps that I was not paying the attention I should have. Unfortunately I do this a fair bit and realise what I have done a bout a nano second after I press the send button....and my boss always opens my emails immediately before I can recall them. Just have to slow down.

Thanks everyone! I'll now proceed to give my calculator a workout.

Circlotron · 31st January 2005, 01:11 PM

I looked in my 5th edition and on page 3 it starts by saying "This Fourth Edition of the Loudspeaker Design Cookbook....

30th January 2005, 11:59 AM	#1
kimbo diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Melbourne	What is E5 in The Loudspeaker design cookbook? I've got the forth edition of Vance Dickason's book open in front of me and on p.129 in section 8.41B "Measureing Driver Mass - Delta compliance test method", there is a equation that has what looks like E to the power of five. I can not find it defined anywhere. Can anyone point me in the right direction? The equation is..... Cmb = Vab / (1.42 x E5 x Sd[squared] )

31st January 2005, 10:09 AM	#2
wintermute just another diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sydney Blog Entries: 22	seems nobody knows I looked in my 6th edition and it is the same, no explanation of what E is, it is definitely to the power of 5 too. I seem to recall I thought the exact same thing when I read that section before, but decided it wasn't something I would use so moved right along. If my math was better I'd take a guess as to what it is, but its not so....... Tony. __________________ Any intelligence I may appear to have is purely artificial Some of my photos

31st January 2005, 10:17 AM	#3
richie00boy Did it Himself diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gloucestershire, England, UK	If it's a small 'e' then it could possibly mean exponential, i.e. replace e^5 by 10^5 in your case. Or maybe it's excursion? __________________ www.readresearch.co.uk my website for UK diy audio people - designs, PCBs, kits and more

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31st January 2005, 10:46 AM	#4
kimbo diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Melbourne	Yeah, shame nobody seems to know. I was hoping to use that method to start figuring out the Cmb as a precursor to calculating the Mmd, compliance etc. The power of five has me stumped.....can't see how the dimensions of the answer could come out correctly unless E is a dimensionless number or constant of some sort. Anybody else care to hazard a guess?

31st January 2005, 11:59 AM	#6
kimbo diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Melbourne	Looks like you're right 454Casull! (although lower case e usually stands for natural log) Many thanks. I was able to find confirmation on the KBapps.com website (recomended for some free calculators http://www.kbapps.com/audio/speakerd...rs/Default.htm ) there is a list of the formulae used, and there is one for Vas which looks like...... Vas = 140000000 * Cms * Sd2 ...which can be re-written as Cms = Vas / (140000000 x Sd [squared] ) and as he has his units in liters instead of cubic meters, we can knock off three zeros, implying that ... E5 = 100000 or 10 to the power of five! So it looks like he lapsed into engineer speak of 'exponential five'. It would have been much clearer if he had just written 10 to power 5. oh well, live and learn. Does anyone see a problem with this resolution?

31st January 2005, 12:36 PM	#8
kimbo diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Melbourne	Whoops....sorry about that richie00boy. A thousand pardons. You were right on the money. I was so excited about finding confirmation on kbapps that I was not paying the attention I should have. Unfortunately I do this a fair bit and realise what I have done a bout a nano second after I press the send button....and my boss always opens my emails immediately before I can recall them. Just have to slow down. Thanks everyone! I'll now proceed to give my calculator a workout.

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