Didn't really see any threads that pointed this out, but thought some of you may be interested.....new to me at least
Elliptic Crossovers
Elliptic Crossovers
bhg41088 said:60db/oct is crazy.
Tell Joseph Audio that -- that fast an XO has some advantages...
dave
planet10 said:
Tell Joseph Audio that -- that fast an XO has some advantages...
dave
i meant crazy as in awesome .
jackinnj said:did I miss the "Group Delay" graph?
I guess the idea is to squeeze all the problems into such a narrow window the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
dave
Bill Fitzpatrick said:Probably rings like a bell - chirp, chirp, chirp.
I read an audio board with Joseph of Joseph Audio on it, and he says his crossover has no ringing at all. None.
I am not endorsing his claim, just letting people know that he is making it.
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?cspkr&1032037028&openflup&29&4#29
According to Joseph Audio: "The Infinite Slope design we employ is absent of any ringing.
None. Nada. Don't believe me?
Go look at the review of the RM33si in Stereophile, see the waterfall plot of the RM33si. (it's online now)"
To find this, go to the above link and look for the post which begins, "This topic comes up every few months...."
According to Joseph Audio: "The Infinite Slope design we employ is absent of any ringing.
None. Nada. Don't believe me?
Go look at the review of the RM33si in Stereophile, see the waterfall plot of the RM33si. (it's online now)"
To find this, go to the above link and look for the post which begins, "This topic comes up every few months...."
Group Delay
5th order elliptical LPF
Butterworth
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5th order elliptical LPF
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Where Chebychev filters give a steeper slope by allowing ripple in the passband, an eliptic filter has an even steeper slope by allowing ripple in the stop band as well. This is illustrated by the graphs shown by jackinnj. I'm sure that the bloke who first analysed eliptic filters saw applications in the RF communications field and not quality audio.
On the other hand, I have a speaker made by Castle, and the tweeter crossover is second order, but also has a notch filter tuned to the tweeter resonant frequency. It is an old design, there are no resistors at all in the crossover. The frequency response shape is just like the eliptic response shown in the graph above. If this was deliberate, then maybe the use of eliptic filters is not new, and was used commercially decades ago.
On the other hand, I have a speaker made by Castle, and the tweeter crossover is second order, but also has a notch filter tuned to the tweeter resonant frequency. It is an old design, there are no resistors at all in the crossover. The frequency response shape is just like the eliptic response shown in the graph above. If this was deliberate, then maybe the use of eliptic filters is not new, and was used commercially decades ago.
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