Will a maelstrom on 500w be as loud as a titanic on 1000?

[Fryguy]

If I build a large enough enclosure such that the maelstrom is xmaxing with 500w, then the power difference wouldn't matter right? Since the maelstrom has a displacement advantage?

[GM]

Depends, what does a sim predict?

GM

[BillFitzmaurice]

Have you considered the sensitivity? And power compression? How about frequency response? Displacement is significant, but is only one of many factors that determine potential output, not the least important being the cabinet design. For instance, a properly designed horn loaded with an eight can flat out blow away a Maelstrom in a sealed or vented box, and do it with only 100 watts input to boot. You're on the right track, but you have to account for all the other variables as well.

[Fryguy]

sensitivity is the same, freq response is similar, power compression i'm staying around rms for both cases, not extreme power relative to the woofer.

Given the above information it would be true that the maelstrom outperforms a dayton, and overall a smarter choice to go with the maelstrom?

Also, it seems a lot of people like a maelstrom for a musical application, which is what I'm doing.

[thylantyr]

Fryguy,

If you are going to cross the subwoofer to your MTM or equivalent
towers, I'm assuming a crossover frequency anywhere from 80hz
to 200hz.

Something to consider. If the crossover point is on the low side,
you will have a harder time to differentiate between woofer
sound quality, ie, a Tempest may sound similar to a Maelstrom
(other than raw output), but as you raise that crossover frequency
you will start to hear midrange sounds and you can now hear
sound quality differences. You ear would be sensitive to midrange
qualities.

To complicate matters, if you operate with a higher crossover
frequency where midrange is clearly audible and you push the
woofer into higher excursion, you will modulate that midrange sound,
that sound resembles the sound you hear when you talk into a fan.
/hehe

Even though you may have better sound quality, you can ruin
it by forcing high excursion. catch 22.

It's better to have your main cabinet operate at a lower frequency
to allow your subwoofer to cross lower to minimize the gremlins.

If you are going to cross lower then any good woofers will do
the job, all those you have mentioned will work. But if you want
to cross really high, up to 300hz or higher you need to think about
the sonic gremlins.

[kingdaddy]

I have 2 Maelstroms in separate enclosures with the DVC strapped parallel to a Mackie 1400i (700w ch) and they can play as loud as you can stand without really even getting into the Yellow of the clipping meters. Depending on your enclosure volume it they can be very efficient, I have used a 400w mono (Audio Source Amp3) on the test enclosure and it was more then enough to drive sine wave test tones to the drivers excursion. IMO the Maelstrom works very well at or about 245L with any amount of power above 200W.

My Maelstrom Subs
http://www.geocities.com/kingdaddyke...s.html?1078331

[mikee12345]

Vd is SPL potential,not SPL

The titanic being an HT intended subwoofer,i wouldnt be suprised if it wasnt quite as linear.

245Litre enclosures? not good for some one moving house often

Power compression-you will never know this until you carefully measure it(which no one ive seen,does with HT units)

One would hope that your not aiming to completely use up the driver to its full excursion,and that you would aim to operate it at perhaps half its excursion limit.

It all depends on alot of things. for a start you should compare them with the optimal box for each,input same power,see what happens on SPL graph.

Then decide on which woofers box you can fit....