well i think i will stick withthe true three-way speakers just out of prefrence....
i am desiging this system out of the hopes to get the best of all three worlds....
A. Really Great Sound Quality
B. Really Big Speakers
C. Ear-Bleeding Volume
hope you guys are not mad at me for being so stubbern but i really think three way systems sound better....that is what i think...
you are right bostarob that dayton has kick *** binding posts.....
the tweeters look go so i think i will give them a werle....
i will post some pictures of the room layout soon...
i am desiging this system out of the hopes to get the best of all three worlds....
A. Really Great Sound Quality
B. Really Big Speakers
C. Ear-Bleeding Volume
hope you guys are not mad at me for being so stubbern but i really think three way systems sound better....that is what i think...
you are right bostarob that dayton has kick *** binding posts.....
the tweeters look go so i think i will give them a werle....
i will post some pictures of the room layout soon...
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What exactly do you want help with? You need be more specific
But I will help with this. If you want BIG speakers, make the subs really really big. Not your rear and surround chanels. 90% of the time the surrounds are just sitting there not playing anything. In movies, the only time you'll ever hear them is when a helicopter flies by, or something like that. Most program comes from the center. With music (all of your cd's are in 2 channel stereo) I prefer listening in plain old stereo. Maybe you want all speakers pushing air? It would be kind of wasteful to have the best speakers in the world sitting there 90% of the time. Even if you are using them full time, it doesn't seem right to have an enormous speaker that only plays down to 80 Hz. If it is just for the visual effect, close off a large bottom section and fill them with sand! Be sure to put them where you want them first, cuz they aint goin nowhere once you fill em!
-andy
But I will help with this. If you want BIG speakers, make the subs really really big. Not your rear and surround chanels. 90% of the time the surrounds are just sitting there not playing anything. In movies, the only time you'll ever hear them is when a helicopter flies by, or something like that. Most program comes from the center. With music (all of your cd's are in 2 channel stereo) I prefer listening in plain old stereo. Maybe you want all speakers pushing air? It would be kind of wasteful to have the best speakers in the world sitting there 90% of the time. Even if you are using them full time, it doesn't seem right to have an enormous speaker that only plays down to 80 Hz. If it is just for the visual effect, close off a large bottom section and fill them with sand! Be sure to put them where you want them first, cuz they aint goin nowhere once you fill em!
-andy
slicemaster101 said:
Let me see if i can say this gently... no i can't. If the amps sound like c%$& there is NO bang for the buck. And power ratings are often next to meaningless -- i have heard 200W amps clip before 20 W ones (ie the 20W amp put out more power than the 200W).
So we have our 1st impediment -- trying to make a set of speakers sound good with C%$&&* amps.
I just can't imagine spending money on those amps when the money could be much more effectively distributed.
I don't think i want to play anymore.
dave
Bill F. said:
thanx for that Bill.
If he wants to play by my rules, i will gladly lend him my assistance to put together a system that does what he needs, with the most bang-for-the-buck. But insisting on those hulking monsters without consideration to anything else is a blind alley/dead end.
dave
what the f@#k is wrong with the crown amps!
i asked this in the other form as well but noone told me why.....
what the f$%k is wrong with crown! give me evudence that they are bad....you guy say they are bad....why are they bad.....
you guy are creating more questions for me......
all i want to know is why they are bad...and why they will sound like shi%.....i am new to this and you have to explain.....crown looked like they were good for the money.....
has lots of power and for the money they look good!
why you guys just say they are bad and not justify it is rediculas.......
i am open for sugestions for amps....just justify your reason for bashing on the crown ce2000's! ok...
and find me a amp that will put out that much wattage for the same or lesser price.....please find me one.....
gosh darn......i never said i would not change amps just justify the change instead of just saying they will sound like sh%t!
i dont think i ask for much.....
please just tell me why....
i am sorry if my tone was harsh but i am here to lern not to be told!
thank,
Slice
planet10 if you say they are so bad then why are they so bad have you owned one? probly not but please explain why.....
thats all i want to know....
i asked this in the other form as well but noone told me why.....
what the f$%k is wrong with crown! give me evudence that they are bad....you guy say they are bad....why are they bad.....
you guy are creating more questions for me......
all i want to know is why they are bad...and why they will sound like shi%.....i am new to this and you have to explain.....crown looked like they were good for the money.....
has lots of power and for the money they look good!
why you guys just say they are bad and not justify it is rediculas.......
i am open for sugestions for amps....just justify your reason for bashing on the crown ce2000's! ok...
and find me a amp that will put out that much wattage for the same or lesser price.....please find me one.....
gosh darn......i never said i would not change amps just justify the change instead of just saying they will sound like sh%t!
i dont think i ask for much.....
please just tell me why....
i am sorry if my tone was harsh but i am here to lern not to be told!
thank,
Slice
planet10 if you say they are so bad then why are they so bad have you owned one? probly not but please explain why.....
thats all i want to know....
Easy there, Slice...
I know it's frustrating to follow a rosy spec sheet into a blind alley of public opinion. I think we've all been on that journey (more than once?). Spec sheets are interesting light reading, and unfortunately they've sold many bits o' kit, sight unseen.
But, at some point these performance prodigies get listened to--and that's where the rubber meets the road and the poopie meets the fan.
There's a famous poem that begins: "Listen my child, and you shall hear..."
Read no farther, that's all the advice you'll ever need. Listen. Listen to live, dead, revival, whatever. Listen to good systems recommmended to you by people you trust, then ask yourself if there's blood coming out of your earholes.
Ask yourself why knowlegable fans of all types of music listen to amps ranging from 0.1 watt to Gigawatts and then argue about which is better. The answer is that there is magic sprinkled on both extremes, and in between, too. But between the magic sprinkles, there are great gobs of poopie, usually with fantastic spec sheets.
I don't think anyone's trying to be condescending here. There is no secret knowlege club. There is only knowlege, and subjective opinion, both tempered and refined by experience--listening.
So if Dave gets a tad exasperated at being asked to help design speakers for Crown xxx amps, it's probably just because Dave's been down that road, and Dave don't play that.
Listen, learn, and keep that mind wide open.
Bill
I know it's frustrating to follow a rosy spec sheet into a blind alley of public opinion. I think we've all been on that journey (more than once?). Spec sheets are interesting light reading, and unfortunately they've sold many bits o' kit, sight unseen.
But, at some point these performance prodigies get listened to--and that's where the rubber meets the road and the poopie meets the fan.
There's a famous poem that begins: "Listen my child, and you shall hear..."
Read no farther, that's all the advice you'll ever need. Listen. Listen to live, dead, revival, whatever. Listen to good systems recommmended to you by people you trust, then ask yourself if there's blood coming out of your earholes.
Ask yourself why knowlegable fans of all types of music listen to amps ranging from 0.1 watt to Gigawatts and then argue about which is better. The answer is that there is magic sprinkled on both extremes, and in between, too. But between the magic sprinkles, there are great gobs of poopie, usually with fantastic spec sheets.
I don't think anyone's trying to be condescending here. There is no secret knowlege club. There is only knowlege, and subjective opinion, both tempered and refined by experience--listening.
So if Dave gets a tad exasperated at being asked to help design speakers for Crown xxx amps, it's probably just because Dave's been down that road, and Dave don't play that.
Listen, learn, and keep that mind wide open.
Bill
problem solved!
slicemaster for an end-of-sleepless-nights, all-in-one solution check out www.meridian-audio.com
set you back about $60000 though...
slicemaster for an end-of-sleepless-nights, all-in-one solution check out www.meridian-audio.com
set you back about $60000 though...
that my very point i dont have $60,000 to spend!
well thank for understanding Bill F.
i really would like to know what is wrong with the crown ce2000's
but you have to consider i have limmited funding and i cant go and spend 60,000 dallars on a singal amp......
that is why crown looks so promosing to me.....cheap yet good specs....well i think so anyway?i am not sure what good is.....
some one please help me out with this....
well thank for understanding Bill F.
i really would like to know what is wrong with the crown ce2000's
but you have to consider i have limmited funding and i cant go and spend 60,000 dallars on a singal amp......
that is why crown looks so promosing to me.....cheap yet good specs....well i think so anyway?i am not sure what good is.....
some one please help me out with this....
slicemaster101 said:
Here's a link to an article on Wendy Carlos' website about setting up a surround sound system. Click on the "Digression One: Classic Blunders" link.
http://www.wendycarlos.com/gosurround.html
More Money Than Sense ?
Hello slicemaster101,
With the the sort of budget that you are proposing here, I suggest that you get around to some music shop/pro-audio shops and audition some large modern active speakers.
An example of what is available is here - http://www.yorkville.com/default.asp
Some modern active cabinets can go way loud and with EQ can sound pretty good, or at least seriously impressive on movie soundtracks.
With the cash you save on all those Crown amplifiers and drivers, you'd have enough to add a mixing desk and and hire your system out when you are at the hearing specialist.
By the sounds, you are a newbie audiophile with cash to burn, so aside from the "I built it myself" satisfaction factor, I expect you will get the instant home theatre loudness results you want this way.
Hmmmm................
Eric.
A friend for Kilowatt ?
Hello slicemaster101,
With the the sort of budget that you are proposing here, I suggest that you get around to some music shop/pro-audio shops and audition some large modern active speakers.
An example of what is available is here - http://www.yorkville.com/default.asp
Some modern active cabinets can go way loud and with EQ can sound pretty good, or at least seriously impressive on movie soundtracks.
With the cash you save on all those Crown amplifiers and drivers, you'd have enough to add a mixing desk and and hire your system out when you are at the hearing specialist.
By the sounds, you are a newbie audiophile with cash to burn, so aside from the "I built it myself" satisfaction factor, I expect you will get the instant home theatre loudness results you want this way.
and budget for 5 Crown Amps and speakers.
Hmmmm................
Eric.
A friend for Kilowatt ?
so the crown amps are ok?
the system is going to be used in a home theater.....hell with that much power you could just call it a theater....well
i want it to sound great on movies and good with music......
that is why i am here......
i would like to build my own speakers and drive them withthe crown ce2000 but if crown sux what else for the price? i am shurly open to sugestions.....
and by the way what is EQ?
thanks,
Slice
the system is going to be used in a home theater.....hell with that much power you could just call it a theater....well
i want it to sound great on movies and good with music......
that is why i am here......
i would like to build my own speakers and drive them withthe crown ce2000 but if crown sux what else for the price? i am shurly open to sugestions.....
and by the way what is EQ?
thanks,
Slice
I don't know who Jocko is, but this certainly rouses some suspiscion. That pic of your sub looks surprisingly nice for a 1st timer, not to mention one who needs our "openions."
\(just kidding)
Slice, by the way, you never did tell us how much you are willing to spend. How much are you will ing to spend, Slice?
Also, who's paying?
mrfeedback-good sugestion
slice-take that into consideration
\(just kidding)
Slice, by the way, you never did tell us how much you are willing to spend. How much are you will ing to spend, Slice?
Also, who's paying?
mrfeedback-good sugestion
slice-take that into consideration
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