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Old 23rd June 2004, 11:34 PM   #21
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Also interesting, because in my experience the aforementioned bass "effect", can be totally erradicated by the use of a good stiff/krell type power amp PSU. Which *would* mean the effect is not a function of the speaker at all.
The effect is a function of the human ear, I think Sreten might have said this. I think it's harder to hear bass and treble at lower SPL's.

How can you listen to dance or Chemical Brothers with no big woofers/subs? U gotz to have da bump, no?
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Old 24th June 2004, 12:19 AM   #22
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A little hint:

Surf to http://www.soundlabsgroup.com.au/visatonweb/, category Home- Hifi- Kits, 3- Way Speakers and have a look on the "Concorde MKII" or the "Experience V20".

The "Eperience" can be understood as a "Light"- version of the "Concorde". But the sound quality is nearby the same.

I had the chance to hear both of them on last years "board BBQ" at their HQ...
Afterwards, we (the board members) invented a "MK II"- version of the "Experience". Changes were made in bass- and tweet- section...

They really sound very nice, powerful, and first of all, they are cheap...

Note: I can send an email with the new XO to you, if you want it...

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Rock is meant to play loud, so you want something efficient with reasonable power handling. Something like Chemical Bros needs plenty of bass. Adire's Hurricane would fit the bill nicely and if a 6 cu ft cab is too big, you could always put the maelstrom in a sealed alignment and go much much smaller and give up some low end extension.
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And the Hurricane looks "just right"
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I wonder how well the Hurricane would work if you had a side firing Maelstrom. VMPS speakers have always been praised for being good for rock music, and they are available as a kit.
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I wonder how well the Hurricane would work if you had a side firing Maelstrom. VMPS speakers have always been praised for being good for rock music, and they are available as a kit.
It's crossed over high enough that you would definitely want it front firing.
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There's an interesting article on choice of driver materials for different types of music:

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The gist is that polycones and similar are more forgiving with poor quality recordings, where cones with more resolution will be less forgiving. I suspect that this may also be a consideration with tweeters.

It seems to me if you really want to appreciate rock music, then you want it fairly loud yet clean. I'd look at an MTM design using polycones or paper cones or similar with some larger woofers or subwoofer drivers built in. If you go with woofers then say a pair of 10" woofers biamped and crossed over at say 200 Hz. Or you might go with a single 12" sub side firing crossed at say 100 Hz, this would give you a slimmer cabinet. This would be suited to a medium sized room.

In a larger room you may want to scale things up ...
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Old 24th June 2004, 06:06 PM   #28
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The gist is that polycones and similar are more forgiving with poor quality recordings, where cones with more resolution will be less forgiving. I suspect that this may also be a consideration with tweeters.

I agree. If you listen to mp3z or cd's burned from mp3z it is the most obvious. Ever since I been using Eton woofers (don't care much for tweeters, maybe I haven't heard any good ones, I don't know) a lot of my mp3z sound aweful, esspecially the 128 kbps recordings. Which are usually very poor on any speakers.
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After listening to the old System 7s again it makes me wonder if the combination of compression horns and large paper woofers is the ticket for rock music. Sounds pretty good when the volume goes up.
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Old 25th June 2004, 02:32 AM   #30
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Couple of points, the bass effect is related to how we hear, at bass frequencies our hearing is linear at midrange it is logartihimic, check the web for the Flecher Munson curves.
Most amplifiers dont start to really 'drive' until a certain gain level is reached (most amps you can trun up & the sound just 'opens up' at a certain point ). Krells, being class A sound 'open' from low volume as the amplfier is always driving at full gain.

As far as rock speakers go, you need to move air.
You dont need extension down to 30hz I think 50hz is fine.
I would look at using some of the smaller PA drivers, Ive always thought a copy of the JBL K2 would be a great thing (I'm not a horn fan, so maybe use a hgih output dome)
my 2 cents, MTM 2way with a pair of PAudio SN-10MB & a morel MDT 33 - would rock the house!
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