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Old 14th June 2004, 03:15 PM   #11
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...........and a balance suited to good levels, rather than the more laid back balance typically used for listening at "acoustic" levels.
An interesting comment (to me) in that my (limited) experience has shown me that a speaker that is voiced "laid back" will come alive at higher levels required for rock reproduction. eg B&W. Therefor making this type of voicing ideal for rock Whereas a forward speaker will excel at acoustic levels, but become edgy at higher levels. e.g. Acoustic research AR152


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At moderate levels a rock speaker sounds a little "middy",
upping the volume is needed to bring up the bass and to
a lesser extent the treble.
Also interesting, because in my experience the aforementioned bass "effect", can be totally erradicated by the use of a good stiff/krell type power amp PSU. Which *would* mean the effect is not a function of the speaker at all.
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Old 14th June 2004, 04:44 PM   #12
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An interesting comment (to me) in that my (limited) experience has shown me that a speaker that is voiced "laid back" will come alive at higher levels required for rock reproduction. eg B&W. Therefor making this type of voicing ideal for rock Whereas a forward speaker will excel at acoustic levels, but become edgy at higher levels. e.g. Acoustic research AR152

Also interesting, because in my experience the aforementioned bass "effect", can be totally erradicated by the use of a good stiff/krell type power amp PSU. Which *would* mean the effect is not a function of the speaker at all.
The bass effect is all too real, the louder it is the more apparent
bass, a speaker with good deep bass at moderate levels can
start to become overblown in the bass at high volume, however
I agree the better the quality of the bass the less an issue this is.

Many speakers are too bright in the treble and become
overbearing at high volume, but this isn't midrange voicing.

A classic "acoustic level speaker" has exaggerated frequency
extremes, whilst speakers designed for high level tend to have
reticent but tight bass and to a lesser extent restrained treble.

Most speakers come "alive" when plied with juice within their
limits, and I'm not suggesting for a second a speaker with
exaggerated or poor midrange will sound anything better
than poor when you press the loud knob, it faults become
more obvious.

http://stereophile.com/loudspeakerre...bw/index4.html

I wouldn't describe B&W's as voiced laid back generally, though
sometimes treble is too bright, they generally do sound better
when played at louder rather than lower levels.
I'd just class them as fairly neutral with restrained bass.

Your comments about forward speakers being good at low level
listening I don't understand, they lack depth and sound "small"
in my experience.

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Old 14th June 2004, 04:59 PM   #13
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Thanks for "filling me in" sreten.


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Many speakers are too bright in the treble and become
overbearing at high volume, but this isn't midrange voicing.
IMO Acoustic research AR152 and lower range Naim models.


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........... whilst speakers designed for high level tend to have
reticent but tight bass and to a lesser extent restrained treble.
IMO Wilmslow HSM, which is what i use (and recomended for rock in this thread)

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Your comments about forward speakers being good at low level
listening I don't understand, they lack depth and sound "small"
in my experience.
sreten.
Agreed (IMO Acoustic research AR152), but if you play simple acoustic material on a speaker voiced this way, you can get some real "hairs up on the back of the neck" magic. But if you turn up the wick
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It depends on the rock. Old 50s stuff like buddy holly or elvis sounds best on a good horn system. 70's american rock sounds typically best on JBL L100's, old AR3's, or the like. Though it's contrary to audiophile ethics, some compression from a box type speaker is more helpful than hurtfull for most rock, and a laid back midrange helps too. For whatever reason, I've heard 70's rock sound good on more laid back horns too - ie, Altec.

Often times british stuff sounds best on mini monitors with a BBC dip. I find that it rarely sounds great on flat freq response full range monitors, presumably because it's so often mastered with BBC type speakers. Current american indie rock is often very well recorded and mastered, and will often sound excellent on very accurate speakers. The major label stuff is best on a boom box (or in a garbage can). Weird how the best fidelity is coming out of small studios these days.

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Many on the Parts Express Tech Talk Forum have praised Wayne J's D3s as the ultimate frat/rock/party speaker. It offers strong bass and clear highs, exactly what you need for Metallica, Chemical Bros, etc. and you won't need a sub to back them up. Best of all, they can be had for about $150/pair. They wouldn't be my first choice for classical or jazz, but for rock...heck yeah. They will play loud and long and can take a beating.

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Old 15th June 2004, 03:57 PM   #17
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This is a speaker I listened to and really thought was perfect for what I want

http://www.theloudspeakerkit.com/ind...inema&kitid=F5

Twin Dayton Audio 6.5" Shielded Woofers, Vifa Poly Dome Tweeter, tower speaker in a TMM arrangement with a Linquitz optimized crossover.....

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Old 15th June 2004, 07:45 PM   #18
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It's interesting to read a lot of this, as I have found so much of it to be true. I have a pair of speakers (use Vifa P17's and a Morel MDT-33) that sound very forward in the mids. The bass sucks, but they are helped with a very large subwoofer (sealed, 8- 8" woofers, electronically extended range). What is interesting is the way that the speakers "fill out" when the volume is increased. Even at moderate levels, they present more information in the midrange than I would have ever guessed was there on many rock and even metal recordings (which I don't listen to much these days). I will never go back to a speaker with an artificially augmented top and bottom sound (the hiss boom mass market garbage). There is so much more to hear. I think an accurate speaker will sound better on any recording that is recorded somewhat decently. A strong bottom end doesn't hurt with rock stuff though.
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I would recomend you checking out the PI line of speakers. I've listened to a couple of different kits from them and have been quite impressed. They are able to produce extremely high spl, while keeping all the detail. also they have quite good bass. Not the best at imaging, but I wouldn't imagine that would be a concern with something like Metalica. The only real draw back that might turn you off is their large size. Otherwise I think they are the perfect rock&roll speakers.
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Old 23rd June 2004, 12:15 PM   #20
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Thumbs up TQWP for rock

I have similar music tastes to yourself and have recently paired a DIY set of TQWP speakers to a NAD cd AMP combo and am enjoying it no end. My cabinets are 1100cm tall with internal dimensions of 175mmx300mm using a vifa 6.5inch driver crossed to a vifa D19 dome tweeter at ~3khz bass is loud but subtle and speakers will handle a wide range of sound well.
I generally play Audioslave/tool/AIC/Strokes along with jazz and classical String symphonies
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