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Where do most perceived detail come from, tweeter or woofer?
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Old 30th May 2018, 06:01 PM   #1
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Default Where do most perceived detail come from, tweeter or woofer?

I guess this depends on the sound material and crossover point. How about for vocal and most musical instruments, at a typical crossover point of 3kHz.

I am under the impression that most perceived detail or texture of music comes from about 5k to 10k Hz. If so does it mean that we should put more money on tweeter when building a speaker if detail is the priority?
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A flat(ish) frequency response is the priority
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Old 30th May 2018, 06:35 PM   #3
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So as long as we EQ them just right, we can make $1000 speakers into $100000 ones?
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I'm thinking Scott was more suggesting that natively flat-ish FR of the drivers not requiring excessive EQ - not to mention crossover networks not getting in the way - would be more of a design objective.

Out of curiosity, have you heard any $100,000 speaker systems that you'd sell a kidney for?
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Where do most perceived detail come from, tweeter or woofer?
Detail comes from all the drivers ability to reproduce small detail… i use Allen Wright's term DDR (Downward Dynamic Range) to describe this. It needs to be in the tweeter and the mid bass (or FR or other drivers). A cross-over is likely to remove detail — or at least stir up the timing of its arrival. FR as we measure it is like the surface of a body of water… clarity at the bottom is where the detail resides.

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Where do most perceived detail come from, tweeter or woofer?
Try disconnecting a tweeter then a woofer, see which most affects your perception of detail or texture.
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So as long as we EQ them just right, we can make $1000 speakers into $100000 ones?
You might find this thread interesting, the discussion morphs into one examining how much can be achieved by EQ Who makes the lowest distortion speaker drivers
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I'm thinking Scott was more suggesting that natively flat-ish FR of the drivers not requiring excessive EQ - not to mention crossover networks not getting in the way - would be more of a design objective.

Out of curiosity, have you heard any $100,000 speaker systems that you'd sell a kidney for?
I am fortunate enough to have heard a pair of Kondo horn speakers that the owner said cost about 80k Euro, which work out to be about 100k USD. Previously I have not known this level of realism, sound stage and impact is possible.

I don't know what model, I tried googling can't find it either. I have no idea how much the rest of the system cost.
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I guess this depends on the sound material and crossover point. How about for vocal and most musical instruments, at a typical crossover point of 3kHz.

I am under the impression that most perceived detail or texture of music comes from about 5k to 10k Hz. If so does it mean that we should put more money on tweeter when building a speaker if detail is the priority?
I have to say both. It's hard to say which one is more important. A good woofer is not complete without a good tweeter and vice versa. Like Ying and Yang - they are both sides of the same coin. Neither one can exists without the other.
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Try disconnecting a tweeter then a woofer, see which most affects your perception of detail or texture.
You might have missed the OP. As stated IMO 5k to 10k Hz range is most responsible. But this is from a layman perspective.

Disconnecting a woofer and putting a cheap woofer are far from the same thing.

For bass driver, IMO an expensive driver and a cheap one would make little difference in most cases. Very little musical information reside in that frequncy range and our ears are not that sensitive at that frequencies anyway.

Now between bass and upper midrange, this is not so clear to me.
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