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Old 10th May 2018, 09:18 AM   #31
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Old 10th May 2018, 03:37 PM   #32
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As much as I like that Evolution speaker, I can't help feel it would be better as a 4-way, something a little more like these by Rockport: Arrakis 01 | Rockport Technologies

If you don't have the xo design experience and can't find a previous build that suits you, and if you can build it and take accurate measurements, there any number of qualified people around here that can do the passive xo design work for you. That's actually not that hard.

But have a look at some of Troels' bigger designs - DIY-Loudspeakers. The WMTMW (or WWMTMWW) has some nice advantages but there's no reason a straight up TMWW (or more) done right wouldn't be fantastic as well.
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Old 10th May 2018, 03:37 PM   #33
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I have a Jünger Audio C8000 AD/DA System 16 x16 + Master, I tink it don't really gets better. I bought it used
from the TV station Pro Sieben!

I have a Bryston 3B I could itegrate in the system, but dont really have to if there are more and better options.
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Old 10th May 2018, 03:49 PM   #34
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As much as I like that Evolution speaker, I can't help feel it would be better as a 4-way, something a little more like these by Rockport: Arrakis 01 | Rockport Technologies

If you don't have the xo design experience and can't find a previous build that suits you, and if you can build it and take accurate measurements, there any number of qualified people around here that can do the passive xo design work for you. That's actually not that hard.

But have a look at some of Troels' bigger designs - DIY-Loudspeakers. The WMTMW (or WWMTMWW) has some nice advantages but there's no reason a straight up TMWW (or more) done right wouldn't be fantastic as well.
Wuuuhhaaa, that rockport is very big and looks delicious! I have a some software and a measuring microphone,
that will help me to correct a little bit if necessary.

I have seen the Toels speaker before and there are great designs I think, it doesnt have to be as big as possible, my room is 20 m², so there is restriction with some too big speakers I think.

Which people could do it for me like you said?
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Old 10th May 2018, 04:08 PM   #35
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Hey sorry, I can't speak for other people. They'll have to do that themselves when the time comes but there have been many a xo designed here on this site.
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Old 11th May 2018, 07:13 AM   #36
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But how would you mix music with a Focal Scala Utopia? (Except as a "second ear" to verify if your mix sounds good after you did your work with a near-field.)

I mean no offense: you probably knew this already. But the point of a studio speaker is not to sound great, it is to "translate". If you mix with high-end home speakers I am afraid your mix will sound great only on high-end home speakers.

If you have already got near-fields and you are just building a set of "second ears" please disregard me - I didn't mean to question your question.
You don't have to mix on nearfield monitors. Sitting close to the speakers has its own set of compromises, including always being off-axis with at least one of the drive units.

You should mix on the best speakers possible. The ones that clearly show you what's happening 30dB down from everything else, where you can really listen into the mix. The OP wants to make those speakers. Listening distance doesn't matter too much so long as the room is reasonably neutral.

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You don't have to mix on nearfield monitors. Sitting close to the speakers has its own set of compromises, including always being off-axis with at least one of the drive units.

You should mix on the best speakers possible. The ones that clearly show you what's happening 30dB down from everything else, where you can really listen into the mix. The OP wants to make those speakers. Listening distance doesn't matter too much so long as the room is reasonably neutral.

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You are so right!
What do you think is the best speaker for you?
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I have a Porsche 911 in my garage and a blondie...
sorry but music stuff impress me more!
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You are so right!
What do you think is the best speaker for you?
Interesting question.

For a while I used the Behringer B3030A monitors, which are okay but they lack some resolution - while they get all the big stuff right, the subtle details are sometimes missed. Double/triple-tracked vocals etc.

I mostly do live sound, and I like my main PA speakers for mixing on - 18Sound ND1460, 2x Faital Pro 10FH520, up to 4x Faital Pro 15HP1060. Tri-amped, lots of power.

For home use, my small PA speakers (Das M3 and 18Sound 6ND430) are rather good - they get down into the details well, but it was a lot of work with the cabinet and crossover. I also use them live for singer & guitar type acts, and you can add subwoofers to make a surprising amount of noise.

I've played with full-range speakers and other things, but I haven't found the "best" speaker yet.

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