Design basis for Ariels?

Gaber · 17th April 2002, 04:36 PM

Are the Ariel speakers based on a 1/4-wave transmission line design?

If so, is the labrinyth distance included in the total transmission line length?

Has anyone been so bold as to try different drivers in this design? and what were the implications to the design?

Gabe

cyclotronguy · 17th April 2002, 08:17 PM

I've tried the Ariel lay-out with some out of stock Audax pro sound drivers and found it to work quite well.

Cyclotronguy

Gaber · 18th April 2002, 03:17 PM

How different were the driver parameters from the standard vifa drivers?

I am thinking about using some full range Jordan drivers in order to eliminate the crossover. I need some sort of design criteria to compensate for the different driver parameters.

tomcat · 18th April 2002, 08:07 PM

They are a 1/4, TL design. Check the qts of the Vifa used in the original and if the jordan is near to it, it should work. My guess is though that it should work with drivers with qts of between 0.3 to 0.5 as with most lines, though 0.5 is stretching it a bit...
tomcat

Gaber · 18th April 2002, 08:52 PM

Thanks tomcat.

The Qts of the vifa is 0.33 while that of the jordan is 0.4.

The jordan also has an Fs of 45 while the vifa's is 60. I figure this will increase my transmission line by almost 20" right off the bat. I will have to figure out how to squeeze in this extra length.

Any other considerations when switching these drivers?

tomcat · 18th April 2002, 09:18 PM

The Jordan is 1/2 way between 0.3 & 0.5 at 0.4 so it should work. I don't think you will need to increase the line as much as that because by adding more stuffing the driver sees it as a longer line. You will have to experiment untill you find the optimum fill -though I feel it should work quite well as it is...
tomcat

sianturi · 24th April 2002, 05:40 AM

Anybody tried Ariels on Transistor (MOSFET) Amps? Lynn said that Ariels were not designed for Transistor Amps. How Ariel sounds on Transistor Amps?

cyclotronguy · 24th April 2002, 03:08 PM

I've had the Ariel's and ME-2's on quite a number of transistor amps. Hugh Dean's AKSA, Pass Alephs, and Pass Zen-Lite all seem to be quite equal to the task.

Cyclotronguy

17th April 2002, 04:36 PM	#1
Gaber diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: clinton, nj	Design basis for Ariels? Are the Ariel speakers based on a 1/4-wave transmission line design? If so, is the labrinyth distance included in the total transmission line length? Has anyone been so bold as to try different drivers in this design? and what were the implications to the design? Gabe

24th April 2002, 05:40 AM	#7
sianturi diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: France	Anybody tried Ariels on Transistor (MOSFET) Amps? Lynn said that Ariels were not designed for Transistor Amps. How Ariel sounds on Transistor Amps? __________________ The Great Saiyaman Siapa bertelinga hendaklah ia mendengar... (Mat 13:9)

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17th April 2002, 08:17 PM	#2
cyclotronguy diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern California	I've tried the Ariel lay-out with some out of stock Audax pro sound drivers and found it to work quite well. Cyclotronguy

18th April 2002, 03:17 PM	#3
Gaber diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: clinton, nj	How different were the driver parameters from the standard vifa drivers? I am thinking about using some full range Jordan drivers in order to eliminate the crossover. I need some sort of design criteria to compensate for the different driver parameters.

18th April 2002, 08:07 PM	#4
tomcat diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Sth. Oz	They are a 1/4, TL design. Check the qts of the Vifa used in the original and if the jordan is near to it, it should work. My guess is though that it should work with drivers with qts of between 0.3 to 0.5 as with most lines, though 0.5 is stretching it a bit... tomcat

18th April 2002, 08:52 PM	#5
Gaber diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: clinton, nj	Thanks tomcat. The Qts of the vifa is 0.33 while that of the jordan is 0.4. The jordan also has an Fs of 45 while the vifa's is 60. I figure this will increase my transmission line by almost 20" right off the bat. I will have to figure out how to squeeze in this extra length. Any other considerations when switching these drivers?

18th April 2002, 09:18 PM	#6
tomcat diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Sth. Oz	The Jordan is 1/2 way between 0.3 & 0.5 at 0.4 so it should work. I don't think you will need to increase the line as much as that because by adding more stuffing the driver sees it as a longer line. You will have to experiment untill you find the optimum fill -though I feel it should work quite well as it is... tomcat

24th April 2002, 03:08 PM	#8
cyclotronguy diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern California	I've had the Ariel's and ME-2's on quite a number of transistor amps. Hugh Dean's AKSA, Pass Alephs, and Pass Zen-Lite all seem to be quite equal to the task. Cyclotronguy