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Best Mid and Tweeter upgrades for resolution of detail?
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Old 6th November 2017, 08:55 PM   #1
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Default Best Mid and Tweeter upgrades for resolution of detail?

Hi guys, I'd like to upgrade my current 3-way active setup to resolve more detail.

Currently I'm using a 5" Vifa M13SG mid and a 1" Vifa D27TG tweeter and they're nice and easy on the ears and not really bad drivers, but I feel that they are somewhat pedestrian. Bass is filled out by a 10" Vifa M26WR that I have no issues with, I think it's a great driver.

Working with typically difficult drivers is not an issue as my crossover and EQ are realized fully within the DSP and 48db slopes are available. Every speaker driver has it's own DAC and amplifier channel after the DSP.

I would like to keep the current driver sizes I have, although I am not against going a little larger or a little smaller on the midrange. What would you suggest to really take the abilities of my system to the next level while working within these constraints?
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Old 6th November 2017, 09:13 PM   #2
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If you feel like your system is lacking detail, it's probably not because of the driver selection. Have you treated the room? Have you considered a speaker with controlled directivity?
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Old 6th November 2017, 09:18 PM   #3
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If you feel like your system is lacking detail, it's probably not because of the driver selection. Have you treated the room? Have you considered a speaker with controlled directivity?
Hmmm, that's a fair point. Perhaps I should look for detail in a headphone setup and have my speakers for a good physical listening experience.

You think these drivers are just fine at resolving detail? They just seem so pedestrian to me. I don't have a huge frame of reference to pull from when it comes to what higher-end drivers can really do, however.
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Old 6th November 2017, 09:22 PM   #4
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What are the crossover points?
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Old 6th November 2017, 09:27 PM   #5
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Currently have them at 200/36db and 2000/36db. They can be changed instantly and to whatever is required however!
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Old 6th November 2017, 09:33 PM   #6
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I might look at a metal mid driver.

Or play with raising the woofer - mid crossover a bit say to 300-350, play with that cross point to see if mid range "clears up" a bit. Take some motion out of the mid driver.
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Old 6th November 2017, 09:35 PM   #7
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Fair enough! Perhaps a Zaph ZA14? Any preference on good metal mids?

I will also try raising the bottom crossover point, you're right that may help at higher listening levels.
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Old 6th November 2017, 09:42 PM   #8
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Hi guys, I'd like to upgrade my current 3-way active setup to resolve more detail.

Currently I'm using a 5" Vifa M13SG mid and a 1" Vifa D27TG tweeter and they're nice and easy on the ears and not really bad drivers, but I feel that they are somewhat pedestrian. Bass is filled out by a 10" Vifa M26WR that I have no issues with, I think it's a great driver.

Working with typically difficult drivers is not an issue as my crossover and EQ are realized fully within the DSP and 48db slopes are available. Every speaker driver has it's own DAC and amplifier channel after the DSP.

I would like to keep the current driver sizes I have, although I am not against going a little larger or a little smaller on the midrange. What would you suggest to really take the abilities of my system to the next level while working within these constraints?
If you want more detail and openness ...take the midrange and tweeter out of the box and mount them on a sub-baffle of the same width above the main box. Seal off the main box for the Vifa M26WR to work as the woofer, then invert the box to bring the woofer,midrange and tweeter closer. You now have an 'open baffle' that is a revelation over anything in a box. Give it a shot, it will cost you nothing to try it for yourself.

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Old 6th November 2017, 10:26 PM   #9
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Hi BMW:

I have to agree with some of the inputs here. Those are some nice parts unless driven too hard. Room treatment, as well as felt on the baffle around the tweeter can help, as can better capacitors.

One thing though, when you say "pedestrian".... I'm not sure how your speaker is tuned, but a lot of "high end" designs deliberately use a rather ragged frequency response to accentuate narrow bands, along with an overall bright presentation. This gives the illusion that the speaker is more "revealing" when i fact it's just a hearing-aid.

For the midrange, perhaps try a Peerless 830xxx or FaitalPRO 5FE120. Both get routinely good reviews here.

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If you wanted to push the boat out, maybe an Accuton C158 paired with Satori Be tweet.
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