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Best Mid and Tweeter upgrades for resolution of detail?
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Old 7th November 2017, 07:07 PM   #21
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I like the suggestions about getting the speakers out into room as far away from walls as possible and listen in small triangle.
This to start. The room and positioning of everything can have a larger effect than we want to admit.
Yes I think you're right. I will have to try new positioning to see if my loss of detail is in reflected rather than direct sound.

I certainly have focused on making sure I have maximum dispersion characteristics with the drivers I have, so maybe reflected sound is part of the problem.
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Old 7th November 2017, 08:46 PM   #22
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I like this idea, I may have to try it! Thank you.
Open baffle is simple to experiment with but do some research Electro-acoustic models
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Old 7th November 2017, 10:57 PM   #23
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Visaton make a waveguide (WG148R) which should bolt straight onto the D27.

Should better match the tweeter dispersion to a 4 or 5" mid.
Might be worth experimenting with and those waveguides only cost around 10 here.
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Old 7th November 2017, 11:44 PM   #24
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Visaton make a waveguide (WG148R) which should bolt straight onto the D27.

Should better match the tweeter dispersion to a 4 or 5" mid.
Might be worth experimenting with and those waveguides only cost around 10 here.
Hey that's not a bad idea either! I've heard good things about 1" domes on waveguides, I would probably be able to reduce distortion in the upper midrange/lower treble area with them too.
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Old 7th November 2017, 11:59 PM   #25
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ZA14 + 27TBCD/GB-DXT. Or the ZA14 and WG148R+XT19/XT25.

Crossover implementation is absolutely critical to excellent sound and your methodology, although ok, is lacking.
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Old 8th November 2017, 12:19 AM   #26
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Had a look and they cost US$26 here Soundlabs Group WG148R Wave Guide

or Can$21 here Accessories For Home Speakers - Solen Electronique Inc.
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Old 8th November 2017, 01:02 AM   #27
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ZA14 + 27TBCD/GB-DXT. Or the ZA14 and WG148R+XT19/XT25.

Crossover implementation is absolutely critical to excellent sound and your methodology, although ok, is lacking.
This sounds like a really good combo to me. I really appreciate your suggestions.

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Wow thanks! It would be really great to have a set of waveguides regrdless
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Old 8th November 2017, 01:33 AM   #28
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I'm v happy with the 6" sb17nac35-4. Detailed and easy to use. There's also a 5"
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Old 8th November 2017, 01:34 AM   #29
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Well, here's the post where my answer will probably get me **** on and nobody will take my concerns seriously anymore, but here goes nothing:

All measurements were done with an online tone generator and using a Dayton iMM-6 mic on my LG G5. Not exactly the most legitimate measurement setup.
Holm Impulse works great and it's free.
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Currently I'm using a 5" Vifa M13SG mid and a 1" Vifa D27TG tweeter and they're nice and easy on the ears and not really bad drivers, but I feel that they are somewhat pedestrian. Bass is filled out by a 10" Vifa M26WR that I have no issues with, I think it's a great driver.
Pedestrian. I know what you mean. Your drivers are too laid back for me as well.

If you're looking for a livelier sound, you'll need to change all your drivers.

The ZA14 is excellent for vocals. With your DSPs, the cone breakup will not present an issue. For the highs, I suggest the Seas 27TBFC.

The trickiest part is the bass. Personally, I would use the VIFA NE265W but it's costly. Furthermore, I'm not sure whether Tymphany still manufacture them anymore.

What you don't want is something like the Dayton DA270. It's only good for THUD, THUD, THUD. Mid-bass is a blurry mess.

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