Was nicely surprised by the results of my little summer project with 18FH500 and 3FE22 on a Open baffle (ok, ok that's not really a FAST since i cross high, but still...)
any other FAST driver's duo that you would recommend for OB set-up (with the help of active/DSP/EQ) ?
was thinking of a el cheapo FR10+12WXv2 for my next project, but maybe there is some other recipes that could be nice to try...
P.S. i don't expect anything massive in 1st octave, but still something decent in the low-end...
any other FAST driver's duo that you would recommend for OB set-up (with the help of active/DSP/EQ) ?
was thinking of a el cheapo FR10+12WXv2 for my next project, but maybe there is some other recipes that could be nice to try...
P.S. i don't expect anything massive in 1st octave, but still something decent in the low-end...
Done.
12WXv2 + FR10
That one was a bit of a challenge to DSP adjust, didnt sound right at first but now i got it! Sounds like 5k$ boutique's speakers 😀
Plenty of low end but far less efficient than the 18FH500/3fe22 so i should consider having more powerful amp (and more gain).
Once EQ corrected, the FR10 sounds very good. Un-EQ? It sounds like an elevator speaker! 😛
So far, that's the cheapest true-fullrange-10-octaves kit i've found (that can produce decent SPL). Once the baffle optimised, i'm sure it will be even better.
FYI: 370hz @ 48db/oct on the miniDSP plate amps.... Will upgrade to 2x4 HD and more powerful ICEpower amps.
12WXv2 + FR10
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That one was a bit of a challenge to DSP adjust, didnt sound right at first but now i got it! Sounds like 5k$ boutique's speakers 😀
Plenty of low end but far less efficient than the 18FH500/3fe22 so i should consider having more powerful amp (and more gain).
Once EQ corrected, the FR10 sounds very good. Un-EQ? It sounds like an elevator speaker! 😛
So far, that's the cheapest true-fullrange-10-octaves kit i've found (that can produce decent SPL). Once the baffle optimised, i'm sure it will be even better.
FYI: 370hz @ 48db/oct on the miniDSP plate amps.... Will upgrade to 2x4 HD and more powerful ICEpower amps.
I might try to combine another wideband with the 12WXv2, maybe a 4fe32 or a 4fe35...
any of you guys made the comparison between the neo and ferrite versions ?
any of you guys made the comparison between the neo and ferrite versions ?
Visaton BG 13 P
BG 13 P - 8 Ohm
Nice smooth directivity pattern for a 5'', excellent Mms/Sd ratio, 92db eff and very high Qts... Looks like a very good choice for the price.
BG 13 P - 8 Ohm
Nice smooth directivity pattern for a 5'', excellent Mms/Sd ratio, 92db eff and very high Qts... Looks like a very good choice for the price.
Ok, just ordered:
Faital Pro 4FE32 - 4 ohms version
Visaton BG 13 P - 8 ohms
Dayton audio PS65LP - 4 ohms
All very interesting drivers, especially the slightly more expensive Dayton that is very efficient.
Faital Pro 4FE32 - 4 ohms version
Visaton BG 13 P - 8 ohms
Dayton audio PS65LP - 4 ohms
All very interesting drivers, especially the slightly more expensive Dayton that is very efficient.
Just got my hand on a pair of Tang Bang W5-2143... Really good potential for what i hear so far! Lots of energy and great resolution, i'm not a huge TB fan but this time they nailed it.
I've tried visaton b200 with excellent results, got them hooked up with an active sub, try the darkstar thread for more info
Yes i know very well the now-discontinued B200, an excellent driver but more of a wideband than a fullrange. But still, since i have many of them on hands, i might as well retry them! Maybe with higher crossover point and more EQ on top octave...
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Last project i did with the B200 was a 3-way along with RAAL ribbon tweeter and dual TIW 250 XS subwoofers + DEQX DSP
Basically, that's an excellent midrange. As you can see, there is not much energy below 600hz (got something better out of a 4'' from Faital!) and the directivity pattern is very limited for anything higher than 5-6khz.
Unless your standards are low, it's almost unusable above 12khz, therefore not FAST material from my point of view.
They are hard to put in a box but at least a couple people use them as bass drivers. Th etop end gets way better with phase plugs.
dave
I just ordered a 15W0v3
15WOv3-4 - Car Audio - Subwoofer Drivers - WOv3 - JL Audio
Looks very promising for an OB project
Qts 0.48
Fs 24.4hz
12.7mm Xmax
Theoratically, i should get a better end result in the first octave than the 18FH500: lower Fs + higher Xmax.
15WOv3-4 - Car Audio - Subwoofer Drivers - WOv3 - JL Audio
Looks very promising for an OB project
Qts 0.48
Fs 24.4hz
12.7mm Xmax
Theoratically, i should get a better end result in the first octave than the 18FH500: lower Fs + higher Xmax.
Doing some experimentations with the Visaton BG 17... That sure is some serious FAST material. And OB material as well.
Lots of energy, cheap, easy to EQ (down to his Fs) and passed the Frank Bretschneider test with flying colors!
Frank Bretschneider - Rand [Full Album] - YouTube
Lots of energy, cheap, easy to EQ (down to his Fs) and passed the Frank Bretschneider test with flying colors!
Frank Bretschneider - Rand [Full Album] - YouTube
I just finished building up a set of Tang Bang W5-2143 myself.
I went sealed (0.2 ft) for the TB driver. I am using a set of CSS 7 inch woofers in a ported box (0.75 at 30Hz) for the bass. Currently splitting at 240Hz with an old DBX pro Xover.
May experiment with a minidsp and an OB for the TB for fun too in the future. That 5 inch driver works well for me!
I went sealed (0.2 ft) for the TB driver. I am using a set of CSS 7 inch woofers in a ported box (0.75 at 30Hz) for the bass. Currently splitting at 240Hz with an old DBX pro Xover.
May experiment with a minidsp and an OB for the TB for fun too in the future. That 5 inch driver works well for me!
Just got new toys today 😀
Both very promising drivers. Dayton PS180 looks very well made, more than usual Dayton's stuff i would say. Can't wait to test it.
The JL audio 15W0v3 is also very promising in this OB context because of his low Fs + high Qts + high xmax
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Both very promising drivers. Dayton PS180 looks very well made, more than usual Dayton's stuff i would say. Can't wait to test it.
The JL audio 15W0v3 is also very promising in this OB context because of his low Fs + high Qts + high xmax
The only limitation i expect with the 15W0v3 is above the 2nd octave. I guess that starting from 100-120hz it will be difficult to get something decent. I hope i'm wrong and can get some 150hz or so... If not then i'll stick with lower Fs fullrange driver
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That's the 15W0v3 free air baffleless, uncorrected & fullrange (sorry about the 1/3 octave)
Looks good! Plenty happening above 100hz. Will surely work out something good up to 150hz and even more..
Also, plenty of sub-bass potential as you can see (free air, baffless and still 25hz popping out)
Also used that for testing:
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Handled very well, didnt bottom out at all, got a 80db SPL reading without pushing.
Quick follow-up on the 2 drivers above, since i made some testing and listening (free air, not yet on baffles)
Dayton PS180
Pros:
.: Very good construction quality, i'm impressed.
.: Extended highs, very present above 15khz, no need for tweeter
.: Seems to have some good power handling, not out of shape too quickly
Cons:
.: Bass shy, and i mean anything below 1khz seems thin. Even free air i expect some meat around 500hz...
.: Needs EQ corrections. Wouldnt use that driver without EQ, bass/mid/high needs some balance.
.: 4.6mm Xmax seems a bit optimistic too me, i'd say that's rather the Xmech...
Basically, the question is (for me at least) is it better than Tang Bang W5-2143 ?
Maybe. Maybe not. Will have to compare side to side. The TB W5-2143 is my reference for fullrange of less than 100$ so far, along with the Airborne FR151.
Dayton PS180
Pros:
.: Very good construction quality, i'm impressed.
.: Extended highs, very present above 15khz, no need for tweeter
.: Seems to have some good power handling, not out of shape too quickly
Cons:
.: Bass shy, and i mean anything below 1khz seems thin. Even free air i expect some meat around 500hz...
.: Needs EQ corrections. Wouldnt use that driver without EQ, bass/mid/high needs some balance.
.: 4.6mm Xmax seems a bit optimistic too me, i'd say that's rather the Xmech...
Basically, the question is (for me at least) is it better than Tang Bang W5-2143 ?
Maybe. Maybe not. Will have to compare side to side. The TB W5-2143 is my reference for fullrange of less than 100$ so far, along with the Airborne FR151.
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JL audio 15W0v3
Probably my best bet so far to get decent first octave in Open Baffle. Completely in control even with pure bass tones at 25hz and 20hz... free air (!)
Qts of 0.48 helps, i guess. High Xmax (underated, obviously) probably helps a lot too... Not as impressive as the 18FH500, but very interesting for different reasons: smaller and better low-end potential.
That one will need a real OB test, looks like a keeper.
Probably my best bet so far to get decent first octave in Open Baffle. Completely in control even with pure bass tones at 25hz and 20hz... free air (!)
Qts of 0.48 helps, i guess. High Xmax (underated, obviously) probably helps a lot too... Not as impressive as the 18FH500, but very interesting for different reasons: smaller and better low-end potential.
That one will need a real OB test, looks like a keeper.
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