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Old 30th March 2004, 10:58 AM   #11
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Default internet vendors are ok


Got mine from American internet vendors. The prices are better than in Europe. The same you may do with G1.
An option against 170MO is 170Z0 with Aerogel, cloth surround and phaseplug. Some actually prefer it to MO although it is not the consensus.
Yes Audax is going to cut DIY supply. Even their American distributor discussed it some time ago in this very forum. If they will change course of decisions we will know and be happy. Its a slim chance though. Harman is using Audax for very big automotive deals and demands all its production ability to remain focused in the plans of the Trust.
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Old 30th March 2004, 04:03 PM   #12
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Dear Salas,

how much did it cost for the transportation?
I know that american products when are transported in Europe, prices increase dramatically! Phl are European products, but being in america hasn't got already an increased price?
How many days does it take to arrive here?
Can you name please some internet vendors? E-speakers are reliable? Is it possible to pay without credit cards?

Thanks, I really appriciate your help, as anyone's in the forum!
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Old 30th March 2004, 04:21 PM   #13
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I've ordered from E-speakers and didn't have any problems.
Andre posts on the forum often. You can probably
get some testimonials there. He is the one who recommended
the PHL brand to me so I bought some samples to try them out.
PHL has nice products, I like it better than some Focal drivers
from a sound quality point of view.

G1 + PHL 10" - sounds like a winning formula.

Do you seek one or two midranges per cabinet ?
T - G1 tweeter
M - PHL 3450
M - PHL 3450
W - 15" woofer


That would be an interesting system especially if it was an all
active setup (amplifier on each driver type). /hehe


TMW + sub
W = 12" - 15"

Not to confuse you, but check this out. Interesting design,
dual 12" PHL's.

PHL4530 - Raven R3.1 Project

pdf drawing
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Old 30th March 2004, 04:36 PM   #14
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Hi again,

I know of this system but it is way out of my budget (<4000$).

I am considering one PHL 3450 per cabinet because I think that for passive crossovers 102db-101db ( tw-mid ) is better than 102db-104db. Am I correct? It seems that I will have to buy the components from other countries. Nothing that I need is being officially distributed here in Greece except for Audax!

Is there a difference in PHL 3450 and PHL 3451 of ? (the pdf is of 3450 )

Do you think that Supravox 400-Exc would do the bass job from 250-25Hz? (expensive 650 $ or 900 $ for Electromagnet version )
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Old 30th March 2004, 04:38 PM   #15
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If you can afford it I'd stick with the PHL 10 over the Audax units, better low-end response w/ better x-max and greater eff.. (and again seriously consider using this open baffle.)

The Supravox 400-2000 EXC is a Fantastic driver BUT it is a 16 inch diameter driver (and that doesn't meet the requirements you posted). This of course is why I mentioned the TAD drivers..

If configured properly w/ very good amplification your sytem will be MUCH better than 10k+ systems, but with parts alone it will still be VERY costly. (and yes the G1 will trounce anything I can think of except the Raven R3 which costs more than 3 times the price.)

Note however that amplification is almost as important and can be far more costly. This is espcially true if you go active, requiring an amp per driver.. (Marchand makes very good active crossovers). Try looking at Transcendent Sound's new SE OTL (they even ship abroad), with a 101 db eff. you could use 2 of these amps for the mids and tweets in an active configuration. For the low freq. units I'd go with his T-16, BUT because its an OTL you'll need to series connect the 2 bass drivers.

and yes, Bruce is VERY reputable.

overall not cheap.. but I'd be envious of the result.
perspective is everything
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Old 30th March 2004, 04:39 PM   #16
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Will it have problems with the ATC 10"?
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Old 30th March 2004, 06:21 PM   #17
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what atc 10?

btw, with the dollar being hammered by the euro - it would be VERY advantageous to purchase from US sources.

It can be far more difficult to come up with a good passive design however..

If you want to save cash and still end up with an oustanding system that is only limted by spl levels then I'd probably do this:

2 Supravox 215 GMF's series connected in a T-line with 1 G1 1st order passive SERIES crossover at 1800Hz. Using 1 of Bruce's SE OTL's. BTW, while your puchasing the G1 from Andre at E-Speakers also get your Mundorf Silver Caps there, both for the Crossover and for the Amp's 2 DC blocking Caps.
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Old 30th March 2004, 10:00 PM   #18
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and yes the G1 will trounce anything I can think of

SA8535 beats G1

But working with it's mechanics causes this ->
I went though alot of trouble and $$$ to have these custom
enclosures made for my SA's.

The front panel speaker terminals were relocated to the rear
like it should have been in the first place

I will have those enclosures chrome plated as soon as money
comes my way.

G1 -> mechanical piece of mind.

I connect my SA8535 to a Adcom 555II bridged for 600w
The 160v headroom is nice and the dynamic impact is
incredible. If you want this type of sound system then I
wouldn't bother with low powered tube amps
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Old 30th March 2004, 10:13 PM   #19
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Oh god! Again the same thing I mean PHL 10" Ha Ha!

You mean full open Baffle or semi one with bass reflex enclosure of Bass driver?

I have read for open baffles:

"Their disadvantages are poor bass response due to phase cancellation of front and rear output, uncontrolled directivity of sound - not good for microphone use because of feedback."

"The most obvious disadvantage is the acoustic short circuit they see in the horizontal plane because of the cancellation of front- and backwave that occurs there. This goes at the cost of efficiency."

What do you think? As I said I am newbee, however I won't build it on my own but with the help of an experienced man! He will also build the x-overs for me.
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Default Re: PHL & PHL

Originally posted by salas
Aurum Cantus is FOUNTEK.
I don't think so...

Originally posted by michaelpage26
Distributors of Lambda
Llambdas are only available direct... you pays your money & you have to be patient while Nick gets time to build & ship yours.

Originally posted by michaelpage26
I always like to start with a full-range in the middle and push the XOs out as far as i can.

A SupraVox 8 + small ribbon + sub would make a nice 3-way. Active on the bottom at least.

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p10-hifi forum here at diyA
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