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Old 18th April 2017, 10:44 PM   #1
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Default Not sure what to build---Troels or Jim Holtz

Hi All,
I was going to build the ZDT3.5 but decided not to. I am looking to build Troels CA18RNX 2.5 way or Jim Holtz's Finalists . I am looking for stand mounts for now. Troels 2.5 way is a tower but i will modify the height and make it deeper. These will be on my table that I have my computer set up. Yes I know they are large but I can re purpose them at a later date. I have a pair of B & W 602 s1 for 22 years and I find them fatiging . So hence the new build finaly. I am looking for opinions as to which might sound balanced and have a well rounded midrange with not overly done tweeter. It is difficult when you cant listen to them first . Both speakers will cost around the same and within my budget. Budget 1k Canadian .....for drivers damping felt and crossovers .

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Old 19th April 2017, 01:51 AM   #2
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Hi Carlos,

Thanks for considering the Finalists. Before I comment, can you tell us more about your listening area? How far apart will the speakers be, how far will you be sitting from them? Will the computer monitor be positioned between the speakers and how far out from the wall will the back of the speaker be?

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Old 19th April 2017, 02:04 AM   #3
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I would think hard to go wrong with either. Many more reviews and builds published of the finalists. Have not heard a complaint yet.
Plus you can purchase the entire kit from Meniscus.
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They're a nice pair of finalist for sale in the classifieds for less than the cost of the parts. Btw
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Old 19th April 2017, 09:31 AM   #5
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Thanks for the replies ,
I have the speakers 5 feet apart and I sit 4 feet from them. I also sit 10 feet away at times . I have them toed in slightly. My monitor is a 42 inch 4k lcd . The speakers will be 4 inches from the wall. The room is 1200 cubic feet . I listen to music/movies 50/50 . I have 2 10 inch sub's to do the lows.
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Old 19th April 2017, 02:21 PM   #6
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Thanks for the replies ,
I have the speakers 5 feet apart and I sit 4 feet from them. I also sit 10 feet away at times . I have them toed in slightly. My monitor is a 42 inch 4k lcd . The speakers will be 4 inches from the wall. The room is 1200 cubic feet . I listen to music/movies 50/50 . I have 2 10 inch sub's to do the lows.
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Carlos
Hi Carlos,

The reason for all the questions is with the positioning you are describing, it'll be hard to produce a great sound stage. A 3-way needs some space from the listener to integrate the drivers properly and 4 foot will be on the edge.

The Finalists do have a closed back close wall option which was designed for challenging positioning. You will not be able to take full advantage of their spacious open back sound without pulling them our 12" or more from the wall and setting back further. 8-10 feet is great. That said, this would apply to any speaker not just the Finalists.

They'll work but for your room a high quality 2-way may be a better choice. Check out the kits at Meniscus for something with a Scan Revelator or Satori mid/woofer.

Good luck with whatever you choose.

Jim
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Old 19th April 2017, 02:44 PM   #7
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Thanks Jim ,
I understand that the Finalists would be too big for my current setup. I may just go with the Finalists monitor . Reason being i would like to match the timber of my speakers in a 7 way setup. This way when i move the setup to a larger room i can build the Finalists . I was thinking to use 3 of the same speakers for the fronts. Hence i was looking for a diy kit that had large and small speakers.

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Thanks Jim ,
I understand that the Finalists would be too big for my current setup. I may just go with the Finalists monitor . Reason being i would like to match the timber of my speakers in a 7 way setup. This way when i move the setup to a larger room i can build the Finalists . I was thinking to use 3 of the same speakers for the fronts. Hence i was looking for a diy kit that had large and small speakers.

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Carlos
Hi Carlos,

I think the Finalist Monitors would be an excellent choice for your current room. They are a great sounding speaker that I think you'll enjoy. They'll also blend perfectly with the 7 way system you have in mind when the time comes.

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Old 19th April 2017, 06:03 PM   #9
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Thanks Jim.
Have a good day !
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Old 20th April 2017, 05:32 AM   #10
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I am looking for opinions as to which might sound balanced and have a well rounded midrange with not overly done tweeter.
Also consider the Jeff Bagby Adelpos(Satori drivers) and Mandolin(SB Standard drivers) 2-way kits sold by Meniscus(USA).

1) short term plan: 3-way LR: high quality 3-way (two boxes) front speakers which use your current 10" woofers crossed over to the new 2-way Jeff Bagby Adelpos or Mandolin.

2) long term plan: LCR + 3-way Rears = 5 speaker locations around room
-> Build new front LR integrated floor standing 3-ways using SB-Acoustics woofers(two 8" .OR. one 10")
--->Jeff Bagby has a PDF design paper on web describing adding the 10" SB29
--->3-way with two 8" woofers SB designs here on diy Audio
-> Use now-old 3-ways (TM on top of current woofers) as rear speakers for HT
-> Option to add a center channel using same TM speakers in a ported cabinet as short as 11".


*(Personally, I would use the Satori MW16P midrange with the lower cost SB-Acoustics SB29RDC-04 tweeter... can your amps handle a 4-ohm load?? The MW16P-4 would increase dynamics over the MW16P-8)
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