Best Treble Unit?

ShinOBIWAN · 19th March 2004, 11:45 AM

Hi all,

I'm just drawing up some plans on a new loudspeaker I'm going to be making shortly.

Its a sort of no holds barred experiment and I want a very competent HF unit.

I've been looking at the Raven R-1, Seas-Excel 'Millenium' as well as the ScanSpeak 9900 Revelator.

Any suggestion as to which of the above (if any) has the ability to transform recording into reality?

Prune · 19th March 2004, 12:02 PM

No holds barred? Here you go:
http://www.plasmatweeter.de/acapella.htm
These $2500 plasma tweeters are used in speakers such as the $120000 Acapella Spharon:
http://www.acapella.de/german/spharon.htm
Hey, you siad no holds barred

valtergio · 19th March 2004, 01:03 PM

I currently use the seas Millennium in my last speaker, 3 way dipole with electronic crossover dedicated with equalizer + alignment of the acoustic centers for every driver.
Attention to the sound of the Millennium, is very detailed to the middle and the middle high frequency but it is a little airy to the high frequency, compared with tw type ribbon it has a very closed timbre, the impression is that to listen aloft to an answer in limited frequency, an answer with a precocious roll-off.
The general quality is tall but the dark timbre is particular, can reveal disappointing as unfortunately in my speaker.
I don't succeed in accepting this type of sound, I believe that I will change the tw with model to ribbon.

Valter

phase_accurate · 19th March 2004, 01:34 PM

If the rest is going high enough this one might be for you:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...etailComponent

It is used in this monitor:

http://www.strauss-elektroakustik.co...s/1_ttmf_2.jpg

Comment about that monitor:

http://www.swissaes.org/nl/aes_newsletter_80.pdf

Regards

Charles

markp · 19th March 2004, 01:47 PM

Accuton has a diamond coned tweeter for $2800 each. Yes, a diamond cone.

phase_accurate · 19th March 2004, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Accuton has a diamond coned tweeter for $2800 each. Yes, a diamond cone.

I'd rather take the TAD one. It costs less than a third of the Accuton, goes an octave higher without any resonant peak like the Accuton has.

Regards

Charles

markp · 19th March 2004, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phase_accurate

I'd rather take the TAD one. It costs less than a third of the Accuton, goes an octave higher without any resonant peak like the Accuton has.

Regards

Charles

Yes, but this is one diamond your wife wont want!

phase_accurate · 19th March 2004, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Yes, but this is one diamond your wife wont want!

Do you really think you can get yourself two of them without buying you wife jewellery worth as much ?!?

Regards

Charles

ShinOBIWAN · 19th March 2004, 02:23 PM

Cheers for all the suggestions, though I doubt that I will ever consider spending $1000+ on single drive unit.

So maybe I should rephrase the 'no-holds barred' bit

Let's say recommendations for HF under $250 each.

I'm thinking that ribbon is the way to go and specifically the Raven 1 but I'm still of course undecided. More suggestions needed.

Sjef · 19th March 2004, 09:26 PM

The Raven is defenitly a much better tweeter than the Seas or the Scanspeak but is also the most difficult one of the three to combine with a good mid-range driver. You will have to look for a driver that is fast enough, dynamic enough and smooth enough to come up with the Raven, else the coherence between the drivers would be dissapointing in the end, so using the Ravens will not automatically lead to an overall better sound.

What mid-range did you have in mind ?

19th March 2004, 11:45 AM	#1
ShinOBIWAN diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK	Best Treble Unit? Hi all, I'm just drawing up some plans on a new loudspeaker I'm going to be making shortly. Its a sort of no holds barred experiment and I want a very competent HF unit. I've been looking at the Raven R-1, Seas-Excel 'Millenium' as well as the ScanSpeak 9900 Revelator. Any suggestion as to which of the above (if any) has the ability to transform recording into reality?

19th March 2004, 01:47 PM	#5
markp diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: L.A., CA	Accuton has a diamond coned tweeter for $2800 each. Yes, a diamond cone. __________________ If it sounds good... it is good!

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19th March 2004, 12:02 PM	#2
Prune Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vancouver	No holds barred? Here you go: http://www.plasmatweeter.de/acapella.htm These $2500 plasma tweeters are used in speakers such as the $120000 Acapella Spharon: http://www.acapella.de/german/spharon.htm Hey, you siad no holds barred

19th March 2004, 01:03 PM	#3
valtergio diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004	I currently use the seas Millennium in my last speaker, 3 way dipole with electronic crossover dedicated with equalizer + alignment of the acoustic centers for every driver. Attention to the sound of the Millennium, is very detailed to the middle and the middle high frequency but it is a little airy to the high frequency, compared with tw type ribbon it has a very closed timbre, the impression is that to listen aloft to an answer in limited frequency, an answer with a precocious roll-off. The general quality is tall but the dark timbre is particular, can reveal disappointing as unfortunately in my speaker. I don't succeed in accepting this type of sound, I believe that I will change the tw with model to ribbon. Valter

19th March 2004, 01:34 PM	#4
phase_accurate diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland	If the rest is going high enough this one might be for you: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...etailComponent It is used in this monitor: http://www.strauss-elektroakustik.co...s/1_ttmf_2.jpg Comment about that monitor: http://www.swissaes.org/nl/aes_newsletter_80.pdf Regards Charles

19th March 2004, 02:23 PM	#9
ShinOBIWAN diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK	Cheers for all the suggestions, though I doubt that I will ever consider spending $1000+ on single drive unit. So maybe I should rephrase the 'no-holds barred' bit Let's say recommendations for HF under $250 each. I'm thinking that ribbon is the way to go and specifically the Raven 1 but I'm still of course undecided. More suggestions needed.

19th March 2004, 09:26 PM	#10
Sjef diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Amsterdam	The Raven is defenitly a much better tweeter than the Seas or the Scanspeak but is also the most difficult one of the three to combine with a good mid-range driver. You will have to look for a driver that is fast enough, dynamic enough and smooth enough to come up with the Raven, else the coherence between the drivers would be dissapointing in the end, so using the Ravens will not automatically lead to an overall better sound. What mid-range did you have in mind ?