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Old 4th March 2004, 04:07 PM   #1
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I'm about to upgrade the internal wiring on my KEF Reference 105.4.
Is it best to use the same cable as you have between your loudspeakers and amplifier?
In my case AudioQuest Granite.
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Here we go again.
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Hey Bill,

How 'bout we sit back and watch this again. It's always entertaining. No?

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That's what I usually do with these kinds of threads. Of course for entertainment value a good film beats this by a mile.
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If i were you, id buy the most expensive silver speaker wire i could get my hands on, strip the isolation, have it gold plated and then re-isolate the whole thing with silk. Preserve the silk with plenty of snake oil.

All this could be done for the quite reasonable sum of 15,000USD , and is guarateed to improve the upper-midrange of the sub.


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Ok, lets be nice

Is the original wireing damaged?

If no...leave it as it is, there is little or none to be gained by "tuning" wire in an amp.

If yes, replace the bad wires with teflon insulated wire.

The teflon is not for the sake of the sound, but because it can stand a meeting with a hot soldering iron, and in a box there is usually little space for a hot iron.


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If no...leave it as it is, there is little or none to be gained by "tuning" wire in an amp.
It's a speaker not an amp.
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Mayday,

Having tried to modify speakers in hopes to improve their sound, my advice is DON'T DO IT!

Even though the wire may look less glamorous than external speaker cable, it is part of the WHOLE equation that gives the final sound.

I shan't even go into box stiffening, mass loading, dampening material 'upgrade', etc.

This holds very true for sub $2k british loudspeakers (they believe in wires but not how the hifi cable sellers would have us believe) as they are good examples of how the cheapest parts can come together and make music, not just reproduce sound.

I'm not saying your speakers are like the cheapies I played with but i'm very sure the same holds true for them.
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The next time I design a speaker I think I will do it with a slightly too low Qts. Then I will add a series resistance in the form of a really thin 10 m cable to the amplifier. This will raise the Qts to its right value.

Wouldn't this be annoying to the cable freaks?
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Mayday,

Having tried to modify speakers in hopes to improve their sound, my advice is DON'T DO IT!

Even though the wire may look less glamorous than external speaker cable, it is part of the WHOLE equation that gives the final sound.

I shan't even go into box stiffening, mass loading, dampening material 'upgrade', etc.

This holds very true for sub $2k british loudspeakers (they believe in wires but not how the hifi cable sellers would have us believe) as they are good examples of how the cheapest parts can come together and make music, not just reproduce sound.

I'm not saying your speakers are like the cheapies I played with but i'm very sure the same holds true for them.
The Reference 105,4 sold for about 1800$ back in -85, so I wouldn't call em cheap.
Just thought I could benefit from changing to modern cabels and capasitors.

And honestly, for the ones bashing my question, I'm sure you were new at this at one point in time aswell, right?
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