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Old 4th March 2004, 02:45 AM   #1
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Default Calculating driver Sd

The Sd(M2) values given in the The Loudspeaker Design Cookbook are wrong. can somebody post the formulas for Calculating SD in either
cm2 or m2?
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Old 4th March 2004, 04:44 AM   #2
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I do not have the Loudspeaker Design Cookbook.

There are two ways of calculating it. One way is to measure just the cone.

Famed audio author David Weems recommends including the surround on just one side.

One thing you can do is to go to a site that offers woofers in cm², like www.peerless.dk click "Enter a world...."

Another is to take these estimations I find that are pretty close, based on Weems' formula:

15"=132 sq in=825 sq cm.
12"=84 sq in=525 sq cm
10"=56 sq in=350 sq cm
8"=32 sq in=200 sq cm
6.5"=24 sq in=148 sq cm

To get from sq in to sq cm, just multiply by 2.5².

These are close enough for most purposes. Another way is to take the diameter of the basket-not the cone, the entire basked-subtract 1.5" from the diameter, and use that as the cone diameter.

Thus, a 10" basket will have a cone of 8.5" (8.5/2)² x 3.14=56.7 x 2.5²=354 sq in.

Below 8" subtract 1" instead of 1.5" from the basket diameter.

Works well enough for most purposes.
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Old 4th March 2004, 06:09 AM   #3
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Thanks. Actually 1 sq in = 6.451599999999999 sq cm = 0.00064516 sq m
which would make both the cookbook and weems calculating formulas wrong.Most definitely cookbooks.
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Old 4th March 2004, 06:33 AM   #4
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Okay, so I used 2.5 cm/inch instead of 2.54 cm/inch. That's within 3.2 percent-a negligible difference.

What do you need this measurement for? Why must it be so exact?
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Old 4th March 2004, 06:36 AM   #5
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I'm writing a program so I wanted to know which formulas are accurate.
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Old 4th March 2004, 06:49 AM   #6
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Okay. Now I understand.

The "formulas" I gave above where just quick rules of thumb meant to be close enough for practical work.

Do you want any of Small's papers on Direct Radiators or Closed Boxes? I've got them on my hard drive. Lots of real formulas there.
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Thank you but not necessary.
The program I'm writing is basically nothing fancy or complicated. It's meant to replace a calculator for people who still have to do their own old fashion way measurements Like myself ;-)
It calculates normalized box dimensions. Port length. Internal volume. T/S parameters. 4 different compensation filters. Complex impedance. And couple of extra things. No graph or anything because I find graphs useless. The entire code is based on my entire speaker builder collection from 80's and bullock and cookbook.
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Old 4th March 2004, 09:35 AM   #8
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For Sd some aproximation must be made because
the surrounds contribution is not exactly known.

I think using half of the surrounds area is as good as any.

If you want to be exact for phase plugs and porous dust
caps you should also substract the the CSA of the coil.


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Quote:
Originally posted by Eton
I'm writing a program so I wanted to know which formulas are accurate.

If you are writing a program then it should be possible to enter the Sd value, and that's it. ?
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Old 4th March 2004, 12:23 PM   #10
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That's true. What are you trying to calculate Sd from? The diameter of the stiff part of the cone? Vas? Qts?

What formulas are the Loudspeaker Design Cookbook giving and how do you know they are wrong?

Most programs let the user enter Sd and calculate the other parameters from that, like Bullock and White's BoxModel.
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