Small speakers for Gainclone..

Ropie · 17th February 2004, 09:22 AM

Hi,

My current setup is a valve buffered gainclone with IPL S3 transmission lines (shown) and although the sound is very smooth and well rounded I am moving to a house with a smaller living room and will probably need to change the speakers.

Does anyone have any recommendations for small (ie: probably standmount) speakers they have used with a gainclone? They would need to have a fairly high sensitivity, I imagine 89db and upwards, and can be self-build designs, kits or shop bought. I have a baby daughter so esoteric designs with sharp protrusions are out of the question for the time being!

Thanks in advance,
Piero

Pjotr · 17th February 2004, 09:58 AM

Although those will not produce the low bass of a TL, have in use de VS, VR-1’s with gainclone. Sound remarkable balanced:

http://www.vonschweikert.com/vr1.html

Around $1200 a matched pair.

Cheers

Ropie · 17th February 2004, 10:27 AM

Thanks Pjotr,

They certainly look ideal, but the price

I was thinking of not spending more than £400GBP (should have mentioned that)

Nielsio · 17th February 2004, 10:43 AM

Place them upsite-down on a shelf.

crown300 · 17th February 2004, 11:11 AM

You might want to search the threads on DiyAudio about speakers for the Zen amps - their needs are similar to yours.

sreten · 17th February 2004, 06:51 PM

I can't see why the S3's would be a problem in a smaller room
necessarily, they might even sound better, all depends on room
mode frequencies and the S3 tuning frequency.

If the S3's tuning frequency is below the lowest room
mode of the smaller room I can't see any major problems.

sreten.

tgorham3 · 17th February 2004, 07:03 PM

Full range drivers seem to work well with gainclones. I'm using Jordan TLs with an inverted gainclone with a great deal of success, but they are clearly bigger and less child friendly (read tippier) than you desire.

Jim Griffith's JX92s design might be worth a try. It has been built by a number of people who have been positive about the design and has won DIY awards.

http://f18.parsimony.net/forum31999/messages/17315.htm

I'm considering 10 ltr enclosures tunes to 45 hz for rear surrounds but haven't built them and don't have any subjective support for this approach.

GrahamnDodder · 17th February 2004, 08:31 PM

This guy has some nice designs:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~geenius/

Ropie · 19th February 2004, 08:13 AM

Thanks for the helpful links and advice. I think I will wait until we are moved in and try the TLs as you suggest, Sreten. If the bass is too much I may try retuning them or just use it as an excuse to start a whole new speaker project

17th February 2004, 10:43 AM	#4
Nielsio diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Netherlands	Place them upsite-down on a shelf. __________________ E-MU 0404 . Behringer DEQ2496 . TDA1543 NOS . JLTi tube buffered LM3875 . Supravox 215 Signature Bicone 125L vented

17th February 2004, 07:03 PM	#7
tgorham3 diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC Metro	Full Rangers Full range drivers seem to work well with gainclones. I'm using Jordan TLs with an inverted gainclone with a great deal of success, but they are clearly bigger and less child friendly (read tippier) than you desire. Jim Griffith's JX92s design might be worth a try. It has been built by a number of people who have been positive about the design and has won DIY awards. http://f18.parsimony.net/forum31999/messages/17315.htm I'm considering 10 ltr enclosures tunes to 45 hz for rear surrounds but haven't built them and don't have any subjective support for this approach.

17th February 2004, 08:31 PM	#8
GrahamnDodder diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Near Baltimore, MD	This guy has some nice designs: http://home.hetnet.nl/~geenius/ __________________ I had the right to remain silent. I just didn't have the ability. (Comedian Ron White)

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17th February 2004, 09:58 AM	#2
Pjotr diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Netherlands	Although those will not produce the low bass of a TL, have in use de VS, VR-1’s with gainclone. Sound remarkable balanced: http://www.vonschweikert.com/vr1.html Around $1200 a matched pair. Cheers

17th February 2004, 10:27 AM	#3
Ropie diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SW London	Thanks Pjotr, They certainly look ideal, but the price I was thinking of not spending more than £400GBP (should have mentioned that)

17th February 2004, 11:11 AM	#5
crown300 diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: pittsboro, NC	You might want to search the threads on DiyAudio about speakers for the Zen amps - their needs are similar to yours.

17th February 2004, 06:51 PM	#6
sreten diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brighton UK	I can't see why the S3's would be a problem in a smaller room necessarily, they might even sound better, all depends on room mode frequencies and the S3 tuning frequency. If the S3's tuning frequency is below the lowest room mode of the smaller room I can't see any major problems. sreten.

19th February 2004, 08:13 AM	#9
Ropie diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SW London	Thanks for the helpful links and advice. I think I will wait until we are moved in and try the TLs as you suggest, Sreten. If the bass is too much I may try retuning them or just use it as an excuse to start a whole new speaker project

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