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Old 12th January 2004, 11:24 AM   #11
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This maybe shoud move to everything else....anywho...

I mix sound for a band with some crappy peavey speakers and peavey amps.....sounds as good as they can...I am amazed when I go out on an off weekend and see some band with a rig of jbl's and crown amp's and it sounds like crap. Basically what it comes down to is, some people no what they are doing and some people don't. Every rig has it's place (for the most part) and the people who don't know what they are doing try to get little rigs to to big things. anywho, later.

I agree.

A System is only good as its weakest link. Generally, the
system operator is the weakest link.

A lack of knowledge is why people who own $20,000 rigs,
sound disappointing compared a guy with a $2000 rig.

A System Is Only Good As Its User
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Old 12th January 2004, 11:47 AM   #12
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As a fact I am myself a DISC JOCKEY and even a DIYER
As far as the sound is concerned,NOT every DJ is sound specialist.

But IF u ever got a chance to see my setup at parties then u can bet it upon , it will not lack in any detail according to AUDIOPHILE STANDARDS.
MY DJ setup gear includes
GEMINI Dual CD Changer
GEMINI PM3600MX DJ MIXER with effects processor
GEMINI 16 Band eualizer
STUDIOMASTER Active 3 Way CROSSOVER
and now comes my own made stuff.
4 X Dual 18" Pushpull ELF Subwoofers
4 X DUAL 15" MIDBASS THUMPER Coloumns
4 X 4"x15" High FREquenCy HORNS
1000WRMS n-channel mosfet amp for mids
500WRMS n-channel mosfet amp for highs
3200WRMS IGBT CLASS-D amp for Subs

This setup doesnt sound harsh instead of it sounds with extra Low end soft bass response with clean mids and crisp treble


As far as MACKIE is concerned they are just making money
they offer no sound Quality in their Subwoofers
MACKIE is NOthiNG bUT a CRAP!
All Peaveys are averagers although
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Old 12th January 2004, 11:52 AM   #13
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Notting Hill Carnival in London,UK and there is always one stack which sounds so terrible.
im living in new zealand,and there is only ONE event on a year i thought about going to,but it isnt my style of music....and its 1500km away in Auckland,, <its cheaper to travel to Australia ! >


so be thankful you can listen to music you like - ( on crappy speakers albeit )



hehe.

Id like to set up my own event

=eg an oversized party with my own hornsubs

30hz exponential horns coming up this month,im so excited for it LOL

below=my first basshorn (40hz with an 8" )

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Old 12th January 2004, 01:17 PM   #14
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But having said that i did hear a few excellent sounding sound systems at Notting Hill Carnival which actually sounded pro hifi.
The soundsystem which used a combination of EAW and Funktion One sounded excellent even at the very high volumes--not a hint of harshness.
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Old 12th January 2004, 01:23 PM   #15
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Originally posted by amp_man_1
As a fact I am myself a DISC JOCKEY and even a DIYER
As far as the sound is concerned,NOT every DJ is sound specialist.

But IF u ever got a chance to see my setup at parties then u can bet it upon , it will not lack in any detail according to AUDIOPHILE STANDARDS.
MY DJ setup gear includes
GEMINI Dual CD Changer
GEMINI PM3600MX DJ MIXER with effects processor
GEMINI 16 Band eualizer
STUDIOMASTER Active 3 Way CROSSOVER
and now comes my own made stuff.
4 X Dual 18" Pushpull ELF Subwoofers
4 X DUAL 15" MIDBASS THUMPER Coloumns
4 X 4"x15" High FREquenCy HORNS
1000WRMS n-channel mosfet amp for mids
500WRMS n-channel mosfet amp for highs
3200WRMS IGBT CLASS-D amp for Subs

This setup doesnt sound harsh instead of it sounds with extra Low end soft bass response with clean mids and crisp treble

You're using Gemini and you are bagging Mackie ???????.


As far as MACKIE is concerned they are just making money
they offer no sound Quality in their Subwoofers
MACKIE is NOthiNG bUT a CRAP!
All Peaveys are averagers although

The Mackie highest quality gear is well engineered and good, and goes seriously loud for its intended purpose.
peavey should stay with guitar amplifiers.
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Old 12th January 2004, 01:52 PM   #16
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tHOUGH i HAVE discriminated MACKIE only in the field of Subwoofers because i have used them a year ago.
Thats why MACKIE is CRAP in SUBWOOFERS
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Old 12th January 2004, 01:58 PM   #17
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with all this talk of crappy dj speakers, does anyone have any plans/links to some diy speakers I could build for dj use? I've heard good things about both eminence and selenium drivers, but am still too much of a noob to design something myself. If I ended up going active, how easy would it be to toss some drivers in a box and get them to play nicely together?
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well, I do PA quite a bit and I have some stories about horrible sound, and all of them are my miskates!

When you are biamping, ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOU GOT THE CONNECTIONS RIGHT!! 'Cos if you're using crappy peizos like me and you get the tweeter/woofer connections backwards... oh MAN it sounds bad!

Horn tweeters are your friend, but NOT peizos! Peizos sound horrible all the time, as far as I can tell! Go with horn tweeters that have, y'know, voice coils and magnets on them. They weigh more, but they sound more too!

Woofers are very important... if you have no bass, you will have all kinds of complaints about it. My favorite woofer recipe for PA is to have a 15" woofer mounted in the center of a 19" cube dipole, crossed over at 100hz--this gives the -6dB rolloff below ~70hz, which really tightens up and accentuates the "chest-thumping" reigon when the volume goes up.

Beware, however--this configuration sounds worse and worse as the volume level gets lower and lower. It proves beyond a doubt that high-volume and high-fi are truly antithetical!

Another thing to look into, if you decide you don't want to DIY, is the number of Mackie and JBL --active-- speakers with the LEDs on front... they are almost guaranteed to sound good (until you drive them to clipping) and they're easy as pie to set up. (They're hella expensive though.)

hmm. Maybe now would be a good time to clone these babies.
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Old 12th January 2004, 04:33 PM   #19
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with all this talk of crappy dj speakers, does anyone have any plans/links to some diy speakers I could build for dj use? I've heard good things about both eminence and selenium drivers, but am still too much of a noob to design something myself. If I ended up going active, how easy would it be to toss some drivers in a box and get them to play nicely together?
Take a good look around sites like - Rane, Yorkville, EAW, Mackie, JBL etc and you'll find plenty of info including cabinet dimensions and crosssovers.

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Most DJs (I am one, and know a lot) have not the first idea about sound, in any respect. I constantly try to eductae them on the concepts - but quite frankly its an utter waste of time.

DJs just want to play loud for as cheaply as possibly. If they see a cabinet, then they automatically assume that because it has a 15 inch driver in it its automatically going to be incredibly powerful with great low end. As we know, nothing could be further from the truth.

But at least if you book me, I do care about the sound and I would like to think that people dont go away from my gigs faulting it. Every gig involves a sound test when practical, levels are always carefully watched, equipment is not clipped.

If you ever lend PA to a DJ, make sure theres a limiter first thing in the signal path!!! Thats my tip of the day.
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