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Old 13th November 2013, 06:30 PM   #11
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Sure you can, but man that can get expensive and figity. With DSP you can make mistakes try different approaches, use delay to align, etc etc. Diana Krall in Paris, which I consider to be the best POP/JAZZ mastering reference ever, would still be waiting for caps and coils from "Parts Excess" instead of ******* my 801s off by sounding more accurate.

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DSP makes some correction easy, like EQ and proper crossover slopes. Other problems won't be so easy to fix. FWIW, I can fix EQ and crossover slopes with passive parts.
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Old 13th November 2013, 06:44 PM   #12
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So where's the dirty little secret now? I thought that was HOMs
Lets see now. I do not know anything about HOMs, Instead we will fix some LOMs and see if it sounds familiar. Sonotube transmission line, parallel surfaces after driver set up resonances. In fact they generate "LOMs" Peaks valleys. Ok we will stuff the area with foam or polyfill, mess with the speed of sound and damp this out. Wow! the LOMs are reduced, it it easier to EQ to, its almost as if someone had figured out damping in a box works wonders, makes EQ easier. Probably work on MOMs and even VHOMS too. What the hell I'll try some of Earl Geddes patented Hom Foam too, its just that I am not hearing anything untoward on these horns now. I am questioning if the foam is more of a mechanical EQ than we realise, which is fine of course always better to treat an issue at the source.
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Old 13th November 2013, 07:05 PM   #13
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Hell no not the diamond one, the trusted matrix 801. And I am saying it comparing favorably fr wise with all of my ref records now, something I have not ever seen. It is also interesting to note that pink noise now sounds nearly the same out of them when in the same room.
pink noise sounds the same on any speaker. why would you user that as a reference? Its just random noise. And those 801 are not a reference level by todays standards. You should use the nautilus as a reference.
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Old 13th November 2013, 07:15 PM   #14
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pink noise sounds the same on any speaker.
Really?
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yeh its like a untuned radio station. you cant judge anything by listening to that.
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Old 13th November 2013, 07:33 PM   #16
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pink noise sounds the same on any speaker. why would you user that as a reference? Its just random noise. And those 801 are not a reference level by todays standards. You should use the nautilus as a reference.
Lilun, buddy your skirt is showing here, there is nothing more revealing of even minor difference in fr than pink noise the equal energy per octave makes peaks and valleys sound like small "tuned" hurricane. It is unmistakable. Now the Nautilous.....reviled by many MEs who I trust although I haven't heard the latest one I did not think the first diamond units were mastering material. I'll stick with older Matrix or Dunlaveys. As a side note I think the Matrix 802s may be a better choice than the 801s which IMO have some small low end issues one needs to be aware of. The truth is none of them have the dynamic range we need now for hip hop etc. My money is on Geddes or Danley stepping up to the plate and filling this truly gaping hole.
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Really?
One must assume lilun has not done the obvious experiment.
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Lilun, buddy your skirt is showing here, there is nothing more revealing of even minor difference in fr than pink noise the equal energy per octave makes peaks and valleys sound like small "tuned" hurricane. It is unmistakable. Now the Nautilous.....reviled by many MEs who I trust although I haven't heard the latest one I did not think the first diamond units were mastering material. I'll stick with older Matrix or Dunlaveys. As a side note I think the Matrix 802s may be a better choice than the 801s which IMO have some small low end issues one needs to be aware of. The truth is none of them have the dynamic range we need now for hip hop etc. My money is on Geddes or Danley stepping up to the plate and filling this truly gaping hole.
you don't know what you are talking about sorry. look at the waveform of a 'hip hop' recording and you will see a rectangle. No dynamic range whatsoever.
No serious ME uses old matrix 801 as their main. its just an old speaker superseded now. you can pick them up cheap on ebay. Thats the only good thing about them
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Pete

I can buy a lot of what you are saying, but not all of it. First, more than just one person would have to agree to what you are saying and since you are the one doing the experiment, your opinion has to be discounted if not all together ignored.

It is surely possible to EQ any speaker to match any other speakers frequency response with DSP. That part is fine. But unless the two speakers have very similar polar responses, then the power response will not be the same after the EQ. For what you say to be true, the power response differences would have to be completely irrelevant and no study has found that to be true. Yes, we all agree that getting the direct field correct is the first and most important, but it is not everything.

What your test shows is that you either have a fairly dead room or two speakers with comparable polar responses. Or maybe the comparison is not quite as equivalent as you are making it out to be. At any rate what you are saying does not seem to me to be completely accurate.
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power response differences would have to be completely irrelevant and no study has found that to be true. Yes, we all agree that getting the direct field correct is the first and most important, but it is not everything.
I don't think the power response is everything either. Nobody can even agree on what the best one is. So its not important.
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