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Old 3rd October 2004, 06:34 PM   #11
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I have tested a sph 165 kep on a open baffle (with a Philip RSQ8P ribbon) It's a fantastic speaker. I want to combine them with open baffle woofers, probably two 15 or 18 inch high QTS speakers,
The Monacor is very good value for money
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Old 3rd October 2004, 08:01 PM   #12
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Must say this speaker looks promising. I think I will give it a try.
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Old 3rd October 2004, 08:26 PM   #13
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Well, I cannot conribute anything on the 165KEP, but I'm just about to use two 135KEP's in my new center speaker.

I didn't build them into the cabinet yet, but let them play just free-air, and I was amazed about the broad bandwith of the things! In my first measurements the T/S were not perfect up to spec, but they didn't play a lot, so it was not realy a fair test.

This week I hope to test them with the cabinets, and I will measure again.

O, one more thing: The kevlar will indeed change color. I have two units, and they do not have the same color. I hope that over time, they will eventualy match

I hope it is realy as good as the scanspeak
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Old 3rd October 2004, 11:37 PM   #14
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O, one more thing: The kevlar will indeed change color. I have two units, and they do not have the same color. I hope that over time, they will eventualy match

I hope it is realy as good as the scanspeak

Sorry to disappoint you but the colour difference of the kevlar cones just got worse over time in my case. Mine are close to 7 years old now.

As for being as good as the scanspeak, I will not use a different mid than the 165 kep if I can avoid it, the 165 is just so much easier to deal with than the wast majority of mid drivers, especially since it's got so broad bandwidth that you can cross it over according to the treble's/bass's needs. It will go deeper and higher than most other mid's.

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Old 4th October 2004, 07:26 AM   #15
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Sorry to disappoint you but the colour difference of the kevlar cones just got worse over time in my case. Mine are close to 7 years old now.
Oh well, I just have to live with it. Sound quality will make up for this little inconvenience

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As for being as good as the scanspeak, I will not use a different mid than the 165 kep if I can avoid it, the 165 is just so much easier to deal with than the wast majority of mid drivers, especially since it's got so broad bandwidth that you can cross it over according to the treble's/bass's needs. It will go deeper and higher than most other mid's.
Yes, I see what you mean. The frequency plots of the 135 and 165 are about the same (the 165 has a slight decent, the 135 not), and crossing is indeed easy (although I'm going to use a 5th order crossover :P ). I actualy don't expect it to be as good as the scanspeaks, but it would be nice
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Old 12th October 2004, 10:43 PM   #16
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I have the 135KEP's in an encusure now (12 liter BR @ about 50 Hz).

They sound great, and the curve specified bij monacor is fairly correct! There is just one thing:

At high SPL levels, the air that comes ou of the hole around phase plug makes some noise! With normal music it is not that audible, but with a pure sine, it is very obvious, specially arround the BR resonance (then the preasure inside the case ie at max)! It is not realy a problem for me, since it will be a center speaker, but still, it is an issue.

I wonder if the 165kep has the same problem?
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Old 12th October 2004, 11:18 PM   #17
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They sound great, and the curve specified bij monacor is fairly correct!

Have you measured it?
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Old 12th October 2004, 11:47 PM   #18
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Have you measured it?
Sure I can post some measurements later if you like?
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Old 12th October 2004, 11:52 PM   #19
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thanks,that would be nice!
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Old 13th November 2004, 12:32 AM   #20
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I haven't played around with the 165kep but I do own a 135kep. It's a wonderfull speaker, great mid and tight bass response. Not really low, but the bass quality is very good.

As for the 165kep, I only heard positive things about this unit. It's probably one of (maybe the best) 6,5" inch Kevlar unit around.
The membran doesn't even break up like most of those kevlars.
It was also tested in a german magazine (klang&ton), they said it would also be a great midrange speaker!

One other monacor unit that is topnotch is the 200KE, I made some studio monitors with them (combined with a Dayton PT2, really).
These are one of the best speakers I did ever build. And yes the Dayton Pt2 IS good if you know what you're doing. I even crossed it over at 2k! But I don't tell how I got it sounding so well, hehe.
All I can say is that it took me hours and hours of tweaking before it sounded correct with a 2k xover.
About the 200KE, this one goes low! And it also has a kevlar cone that doesn't break up, 2k is no problem for this 8" unit (also tested in Klang&Ton)

I would totally recommend those monacor kevlar units, superb price/performance ratio.
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