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Old 3rd September 2013, 12:21 AM   #1
Nm2285 is offline Nm2285  United States
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Default High end small monitor - Kairos or something smaller?

Hey all. I'm really intrigued by the Kairos and am definitely considering building it. However, for my application, I originally planned a smaller speaker (probably with a 5 1/4" driver). Are there any kits that can compete with the sound quality of the Kairos, but come in a smaller package? They will be paired with a nice sub, so I'm not overly concerned with bass response as long as it's low enough to blend.

If there's nothing out there as a kit, then I may just end up going with the Kairos anyway, but just wondering if anyone knew of anything competitive, but a bit smaller.

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Old 3rd September 2013, 12:47 AM   #2
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I guess the best question is, what is your listening experience and background? I find people on here recommend very high-end kits and components without knowing if the end user will appreciate their unique sound. Note I did not say superior sound. There are non quantitative reasons why 3 loudspeakers with a flat frequency response will be preferred by 3 different people as being the best.

This said, what is your application, and what exactly drew you to the Kairos? I ask because the Overnight Sensations kit is similar in size, but 1/9 the price. I can attest to its nice sound, and it's easily tweaked to fit your own sonic preference.
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Old 3rd September 2013, 11:17 AM   #3
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I was drawn to the Kairos because I wanted to build something that can compete with the best in bookshelf speakers. I've designed and built my own before that are quite competent and sound far better than anything I've heard retail up to about $2500/pr. However, I don't have the ability/time to do all the testing and measuring to insure I'm using the drivers to their fullest potential so I wanted to do something with some nicer drivers and make sure I'm using them optimally.

I'd say preferences are for a very open, detailed, and transparent speaker. I prefer a pretty neutral speaker - not a lot of warmth or coloration, but maybe a slight edge to high-end sparkle.
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Old 3rd September 2013, 12:09 PM   #4
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This is Kairos by Jeff Bagby, kit 899$ Kairos (Pair) datasheet http://meniscusaudio.com/images/The%...ff%20Bagby.pdf

SB Satori 6½" woofer and T29 ring tweeter. xo 1800Hz

Actually a classic design without waveguide, BR at 35Hz largish box. I think that there are tens of similar really good 2-way monitors around, just a matter of taste and intuition. Kairos should fit Nick's needs very well.

Overnight Sensation with a 4" woofer is not a real alternative! http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=300-706

But Modula MT XE or ER18DXT are
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Old 3rd September 2013, 01:38 PM   #5
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I did not say they were an alternative; I was using them to illustrate a point. I said that they're another speaker kit on the market that's simple and straight forward. If the OP has limited DIY experience, then I see no reason to go straight to the holy grail. Hence, I asked what his background and preference is, and indeed it is extensive.
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Old 3rd September 2013, 02:32 PM   #6
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Zaph|Audio - ZD5 - Scan Speak 15W8530K00 and Vifa XT25

This will compete altho I think both the Satori and the T29 measure a little better than the Scan and the Vifa. Still reference level quality in a smaller package.

I run them sealed and crossed to a sub at 80Hz. They sound fantastic. I do think that the extreme lengths I went to on the cabinet are also contributing.
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Old 3rd September 2013, 03:04 PM   #7
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Some of you are really underestimating Jeff and the Satori hehe
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Old 3rd September 2013, 03:09 PM   #8
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I have seen Zaph's design and considered it, but the speakers I currently use have the XT25 so I wanted to branch out a bit. Thanks for all the suggestions. Keep them coming!
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Old 3rd September 2013, 05:43 PM   #9
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These will compete (but still lose) but they fit the smaller form factor:

Continuum, Pr
Piccolo
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Stance (Pair)
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Old 3rd September 2013, 06:12 PM   #10
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Some of you are really underestimating Jeff and the Satori hehe
Jeff's Satori monitor is way better than the ZD5. there is a very smooth luscious 3d sound stage
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