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Old 8th July 2013, 04:04 AM   #91
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Very sharp of you.

Yes, I'm getting Delmond Won, who does the cabinets for Philharmonic Audio to do the cabinets. I've attached some of his preliminary renders.

They're going to have a light mappa burl as the front veneer.




Damn George! Kick ***.

What DSP?
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Old 8th July 2013, 03:22 PM   #92
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Damn George! Kick ***.

What DSP?
I'm quite pleased with Delmond's design. I loath your typical box speaker and wanted something that would look as good as it should sound.

It will be using the MiniDSP, 4x10 version. I've got an Emotiva XPA-5 for 4 of the amp channels and may pick up a 500 wpc class D amp for the woofer sections.

It's not going to be finished anytime soon though and we still need to settle on a design for the center channel.
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Old 28th September 2013, 01:37 PM   #93
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Hi
need some advice about mid woofer to use with RAAL 140-15D to make some nice two way loudspeaker.
(probably active, as I have enough amplifiers and dcx)

I have made some big 2.5 loudspeakers but never finished them as they are to big for my room

So now I need something smaller, and need advice which driver to use with RAAL.
(scan speak,dynaudio, audiotechnology,accuton...)

(don't know when I will procide with this project, but have RAAL in my closet for last 4-5 years and would like to put it in use)

Any advice is appreciated, thanks
Josip
Hi

Did you ever build the speakers

If so did they live up to expectations
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Old 28th September 2013, 06:43 PM   #94
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Hi. it's been a while..sorry

I have buy satori 16P-8 and build some test cabinets for it...
something like 19L, closed...

my biggest problem is that I don't have reference system

so I can't compare any of those speakers with anything
if I have some fault in sound I cant say it's because of loudspeakers
or because of amps
or preamp
or room

so I cant share any impression about those drivers

whel I can but...

any way
here is my system
source - PC with audiotrak prodigy LT 5.1 sound card
analog out to DCX296
6 analog output go to marantz receiver SR5005 which I use as preamp
then i have mini aleph for twiter, aleph 30 for mids, and icepower asx125 for bas

big loudspeakers are 2904/7000, 18W8545, 21W8555
small loudspeakers are raal and satori 16P

all the wires are some chip cables...like 1$/meter

i like the sound of big ones
high and mids are great but have problem with bas
thay are based on edgar and tony gee eveII which is 2.5 design

the bas from 2.5 combo doesn't have attack...it just doesn't sound right...
I try to play with settings on DCX and play them as 3way which improves bas...
have to play with it more...

small satori and raal sound nice too...
thay have beter space (depth...)
again problem with bas, as it don't have much of it...
but it could be because of bad placement in space (you can see how i place them, as I don't have stands for them)
and I play them only like 30houres so thay are not even brake in

I have try second order L-R at 3.5kHZ but that didn't sound right...at least for my ears
so I place 4 order L-R on raal...it sound better...
I haven't made any measurements as lately I don't have much free time to play with those things
hope I will get some time soon
will post back

here are some pictures of the mess in my living room
my girlfriend gonna kill me one day, or trow all this over balcony

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Old 28th September 2013, 09:52 PM   #95
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Hi. it's been a while..sorry

I have buy satori 16P-8 and build some test cabinets for it...
something like 19L, closed...

my biggest problem is that I don't have reference system

so I can't compare any of those speakers with anything
if I have some fault in sound I cant say it's because of loudspeakers
or because of amps
or preamp
or room

so I cant share any impression about those drivers

whel I can but...

any way
here is my system
source - PC with audiotrak prodigy LT 5.1 sound card
analog out to DCX296
6 analog output go to marantz receiver SR5005 which I use as preamp
then i have mini aleph for twiter, aleph 30 for mids, and icepower asx125 for bas

big loudspeakers are 2904/7000, 18W8545, 21W8555
small loudspeakers are raal and satori 16P

all the wires are some chip cables...like 1$/meter

i like the sound of big ones
high and mids are great but have problem with bas
thay are based on edgar and tony gee eveII which is 2.5 design

the bas from 2.5 combo doesn't have attack...it just doesn't sound right...
I try to play with settings on DCX and play them as 3way which improves bas...
have to play with it more...

small satori and raal sound nice too...
thay have beter space (depth...)
again problem with bas, as it don't have much of it...
but it could be because of bad placement in space (you can see how i place them, as I don't have stands for them)
and I play them only like 30houres so thay are not even brake in

I have try second order L-R at 3.5kHZ but that didn't sound right...at least for my ears
so I place 4 order L-R on raal...it sound better...
I haven't made any measurements as lately I don't have much free time to play with those things
hope I will get some time soon
will post back

here are some pictures of the mess in my living room
my girlfriend gonna kill me one day, or trow all this over balcony

Click the image to open in full size.

Click the image to open in full size.

Click the image to open in full size.

Click the image to open in full size.
They look very nice especially the big ones.

I dont know the power amp but with the good treble and mid with both speakers IMHO it sounds like not enough current from the power amp.

The Dynospeak mid and bass are very current hungry. They are more than adequate to balance the 7000 tweeter or RAAL. I prefer minmalist passive cross over. You adjust the tweeter with T pad till you get a good sounding mix. Then see if you can repeat with DEQ2496. Must use capacitor in to RAAL in any cross over.
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Old 13th August 2014, 12:55 AM   #96
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I know the this thread started a while back, but I just stumbled across it and noticed that there are some who were interested in seeing Generic George's custom speakers. Here's a pic of the finished cabinets that were actually picked up maybe two months ago
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Old 13th August 2014, 12:59 AM   #97
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And here's a rendering of the matching center channel which is currently being built.
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Old 13th August 2014, 09:05 AM   #98
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Where has the RAAL got to as a comparison with other ribbon and dome tweeters. Is it really still better or have the others caught up at a better price.

With so many 40 dome tweeters around, that really do sound excellent with high quality applications, the use of exotic marterials is not justified. I bet the SEAS 27TDF, Dayton 28 series and many others are indistinguishable from the much more costly Be domes in all practical systems. Nobody I know uses astronomically DIY priced domed tweeters with Be or silk domes
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Old 13th August 2014, 09:50 AM   #99
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That doesnt mean they dont make difference
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Old 13th August 2014, 10:50 AM   #100
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Sadly RAALs really are that good. It really is a pity that the 70-20 is OEM only, since it has fewer implementation issues than the others in the range and is more practical for DIY. If I was them I think I'd discontinue the 140-15 and the 70-10 and just make the 70-20 for both OEM and DIY. Now that I actually have a pair here, my expectation (bias?) that the SB ring tweeter is great for the money is confirmed though. Very clean indeed- presumably the Satori version is even better and is still reasonably priced.

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