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Old 6th February 2013, 10:35 AM   #21
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Hi JRKO,
Was thinking about a pair of these...also seem to be lovely bits of work.
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Old 6th February 2013, 10:44 AM   #22
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nice horns. I think they are available on ebay also.

The Onken on the other hand will turn you 'crazy as a box of frogs' to try to figure out with a new driver. The calculator alone will make you ! Many have tried and few have succeeded
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Old 6th February 2013, 11:02 AM   #23
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I know... I looked at the faitalpro drivers for the Onken enclosures and yes indeed.. grr.. no the won't work..neither will many others it seems! Bass reflex seems like the most obvious choice...but you know what?! I don't like the bass reflex sound that it gives to the low end.. I have heard some good stuff but it always sound 'chumpfy' and some what muted like it has a fine material in front of the sound.

Anyway I kind of put the onkens in there to see if I was missing something. Now it seems i am not!

What about an MLTL or a couple of 12's in the Klipsch Jubilee?
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Old 6th February 2013, 11:14 AM   #24
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Those Klipsch Jubilee's look awesome... Anyone heard them? ( I mean in relation to other stuff)... I always read; "... or... blows klipsch out of the water..."
I will have to read more about them..
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If I read correctly that you are in Berlin (Germany)...do or can you "zip" over to Cologne?

I know a fine chap who lives there who's got a pair of Jubilee's.

If you ever get to England (Slough), there is a pair there as well as another location in England that I can't currently recall.

I've met the two owners that I mentioned and have no question in my mind they'd be happy to share an audition. In fact, the one in Slough is a dealer if I recall.
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I don't like the bass reflex sound that it gives to the low end.. I have heard some good stuff but it always sound 'chumpfy' and some what muted like it has a fine material in front of the sound.
Maybe you weren't hearing 'some good stuff' - you hear live 'real stuff' so its going to be a struggle for you. What do you want, the power of the orchestra, the tumultuous rise and fall of the human voice, to hear a page turned by the conductor etc etc?

To have a veiled sound on a ported cabinet.......I don't know how you'd do that. Thats normally a description of HF. Maybe a smaller midbass driver crossed over high around 2.5khz? poorly chosen drivers or crossovers or porting or cabinet? Maybe even the cd player, recording, amp etc etc

A well designed vented enclosure should have all the snap & extension you need with no coloration.

A poorly designed anything will sound worse than a well designed something. The best way to ensure its well designed is to design it yourself with help from the excellent people here. All commercial designs have compromises of some sort. Your personally designed speakers do not have to

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Anyway I kind of put the onkens in there to see if I was missing something. Now it seems i am not!

What about an MLTL or a couple of 12's in the Klipsch Jubilee?
No idea on MLTL or the Klipsch I'm afraid
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Old 6th February 2013, 11:42 AM   #26
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FWIW I like the sound of standard transmission lines for bass.
Especially at neighbour-friendly volumes.
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Old 6th February 2013, 04:23 PM   #27
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Hmmm, when I mean veiled I mean just not crisp... but hey! I am sure you are right maybe they weren't well designed and definately I am used to hearing the real thing which is always surprising! But to be honest when you are on stage singing you don't hear much at all! Just yourself and the Soprano/Baritone/Bass honking in your ear....

The amp was an accuphase class A thingy... so that wasn't it. Recordings...well alot of opera recordings from the 50's-80's especially live were pretty dodgy... but that is part of the thrill i reckon, I can tell the difference there, wasn't them.
Closest I have come were the OB's... but really difficult to have presence at lower levels in my space.

Transmission lines for the bass could be interesting.

Hi Coytee, I don't often get over to Koeln very often and certainly not in the next 5 months unless I buy myself a car... and autobahn it...but thanks for the offer! I would be good to know their impressions of them and indeed yours.

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build a Klipsch Jubilee with a K402 horn there you go done like dinner. Best regards Moray James.
Hi Moray,
I saw you did a thread on Klipsch horns in 2010! And you seem to have a lot of info about them. was wondering if you have the thiele parameters that a chassis for the jubilee would need. Found some plans and there is a bit of info here and there. Also they should get down to about 40Hz right?
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or you could do something like my avatar.............
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or you could do something like my avatar.............
Is that a 2.5 way ?
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